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PostSubject: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeFri 6 Mar - 16:27

I have 4 species of macrovipera, I post the pictures but I don't have pictures of my mauritanica in my office.

(All photographs are not recent, some have to grow much)

the obtusa come from Kopet dag, South Turkmenistan
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Macrovipera lebetina turanica

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My Macrovipera's familly Turanica2

Macrovipera schweizeri "red form" from Milos

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I still seek in all the case to find, Macrovipera lebetina lebetina and Macrovipera deserti.
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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeFri 6 Mar - 17:28

Hello Neil,

very nice animals!

Your "obtusa" from Turkmenistan should be
Macrovipera lebetina cernovi Chikin & Shcherbak (1992): Vestnik Zool. 1992 (6): 45-49

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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeFri 6 Mar - 17:41

Very interesting what you say to me Mario, is what you would have by chance the pdf of this article?
If not is what you did the distinction of the ssp by morphological criteria present on the photograph or only compared to his geographical source.
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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeFri 6 Mar - 18:04

Neil,

sorry, I dont have this ( in russ. language) paper yet.
Therefore I have no ideas on morphiological cgharacters to distinguish it from obtusa and/or turanica.

Please see here:

http://vipersgarden.at/Species/SpeciesList/Reptilia/Viperidae/MacrovCernov.htm

or here:

http://www.jcvi.org/reptiles/species.php?genus=Macrovipera&species=lebetina

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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeFri 6 Mar - 18:22

and you are absolutely sure with Macrovipera lebetina cernovi and not obtusa?
For me it's really interesting Smile Smile
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concerning to the papers, there is NO obtusa east of the Caspian sea.
I will try to get the Chikin & Shcherbak (1992): Vestnik Zool. 1992 (6): 45-49

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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeSat 7 Mar - 15:27

Très belle bestioles!!
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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeTue 10 Mar - 2:20

Here is the description of Macrovipera lebetina cernovi for download.

in russian language with short english summary.

PS: the single supraocular given in the description is not a realy valid character.
I found it only in 1 individual out of 9 (photos).

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PostSubject: Re: My Macrovipera's familly   My Macrovipera's familly Icon_minitimeTue 10 Mar - 15:53

thank you Mario, now the most difficult is understand this paper lol.
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