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+7Tigran Tadevosyan Grégoire Meier Peter Zürcher Peter van Issem Walter Silva Johan Pennanen Alexej Darafeyenka 11 posters |
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Alexej Darafeyenka
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| Subject: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder  Mon 3 May - 0:59 | |
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Johan Pennanen
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Mon 3 May - 1:12 | |
| Very nice!
Thanks for share!
Cheers, Johan | |
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Walter Silva
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Mon 3 May - 1:19 | |
| very nice pics !!! Thx Larsa. | |
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Peter van Issem
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Mon 3 May - 2:11 | |
| Very nice shots of an extra rare snake - indeed! Very rare to find in anny books and now for me the first time with the aditional habitat pictures. It looks like there lives in stoney maedows, similar like some ursinii populations. But there is nothing else like gras. No tree´s or bigger bushes? | |
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Guest
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Mon 3 May - 2:32 | |
| Great pictures of an awesome species!
Looks a lot like Vipera pontica from Coruh Valley Turkey and from Georgia. |
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Peter Zürcher
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Mon 3 May - 4:23 | |
| Stunning animals and pictures.
I've never seen Pelias as genus, it's known as a subgenus as far as i know. (Pelias, Rhinaspis)
If it's written "Pelias (Vipera) darevskii" Pelias is the genus and Vipera the subgenus - very confusing - help!
Maybe i overlooked these taxonomical changes.............
Any papers available?
Cheers
Peter | |
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Grégoire Meier
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Tue 4 May - 19:18 | |
| Nices pics and nive viper! | |
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Guest
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Tue 4 May - 20:19 | |
| It's nice to see so beautiful viper. After watching these pics I won't sleep. |
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Peter van Issem
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Tue 4 May - 22:37 | |
| I agree with Peter,
for me it is still Pelias the Subgenus (so far I know). I know it only as Vipera (Pelias) darevskii. Like the other SG (Acridophaga) for ursinii. Paperwork if anny availeble are very intressting. I missed such a in my collection too. But I´m sure, I´m not ,,up to date´´ within my ,,Vipera´´ paperwork.... There are so manny... | |
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Tigran Tadevosyan
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Sat 14 May - 9:47 | |
| Really nice pics Larsa Say thanks to Kostja:) I noticed that recently more and more people tend to consider shield-headed representatives of the genus Vipera as "Pelias". Although there is still a lot of confusion and disagreements between systematic zoologists, a genus Vipera seems to be polyphyletic. At least 3 major groups seem to exist (1) Shield-Headed Vipers (Pelias), True vipers (Vipera) or "Aspis" and "Ammodites" group, also as Rhynaspis, asd Mountain vipers (Montivipera). I thinks that Vipera barani and vipera pontica from Turkey and Georgia are rather related to "Vipera" or "Rhynaspis" than to Pelias. References may be found at http://rjh.folium.ru/editorial/2010-17-1/@Ksdfmkjqwio0t3_/2010-17-1-001.pdf [img][/img]  | |
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jean-henri pastore
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Sat 14 May - 19:35 | |
| Agree with Peter also.......:
I think he mean: Berus as "pelias" complex (berus, kaznakovi, orlovi, dinniki, renardi, etc...etc....)
And different as "aspis" complex....(aspis, ammodytes, transcausania, etc...etc....)
Definitively need some papers and publi ... | |
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Tim Leerschool
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Sat 14 May - 21:53 | |
| Excellent photos! I still want to visit the Caucasus mountains to see the amazing species that live there. I was hoping to do my final thesis on genetics within the caucasus vipers.
What helped me in figuring out the taxonomics within the Vipera group is the book Vipers of Europe by Johan de Smedt ( http://www.viperidae.de/ ). It costs a bit but I still find it one of the most, if not the most interesting books on the Vipera genus.
Best Regards,
Tim | |
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Bostjan Kraner
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Sun 15 May - 20:15 | |
| Owesome photos of habitat and snakes. Very interesting N.N.persa too.
Best regards, BKK | |
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Mats Olsson
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| | Subject: Re: Pelias(Vipera) darevskii bilder Fri 3 Jun - 6:21 | |
| Werry nice pics love them,i wunder do you knowe howe lage vipera ammodytes merdionails get i only have find the nomnat form size. Mats Olsson  | |
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