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Harold van der Ploeg
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PostSubject: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeSun 9 May - 4:37

Does someone have experience with Elapsoidea?
Which species are doing well in captivity?

Andrew Hacket posted some pictures of longicauda eating mice. Are there more which are good mice-feeders?

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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeSun 9 May - 5:31

longicauda, boulengeri and sunderwallii are the three species more commonly available here in SA.
The sunderwalliiare probably the most difficult to get onto mice simply because as hatchlings they are just to small to take pinks.
In my experience once they are big enough they will take mice without to much hassle. If there is any reluctance 9 times out of 10 scenting a pink with a lizard works perfectly.
These snakes do not eat big meals like most Elapids and will be happier with more "appropriately" sized meals.
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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeSun 9 May - 6:22

Harold van der Ploeg wrote:
Does someone have experience with Elapsoidea?
Which species are doing well in captivity?

Andrew Hacket posted some pictures of longicauda eating mice. Are there more which are good mice-feeders?

Regards,
Harold

Hi Harold,

Maybe you remember but I had some years ago a few sunderwallii they were not hard to keep. I fed gecko's but never bred them.
Also had some loveridgei also WC adults most died quickly as they came in poor conditions but 2 males survided they eated scented pinky mice.
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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeSun 9 May - 15:21

Hi Harold,
around 6-8 years ago, I got an WC E. spec. from Uganda. It was around 40 cm, gray-brownish color with a lot of withe bands on there back. It feed perfectly on smal mices and Baby rats! It grow up to around 50 cm and than I give it away to a Reptile Zoo in Germany. I don´t know if is still OK! I hope yes. I keep it in a Pet-Box with sandy humid ground, a water bowl and a smal branch inside, nothing else.
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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeSun 9 May - 17:37

Thank you guys!

I also noticed in some of my books a different way of spelling of sundevalli(i) (=> Mehrtens / O'shea / Marais / Patterson / others. ) sunderwallii (=>Vogel / others). Also 'sundevalli' is sometimes written with one and sometimes with dubble 'i' (sundevallii)...
Spawls describes in his book some of the ssp. of sunderwallii as sp.

Does someone have an article, or can someone tell me more, about their recent systematics / taxonomy?
WW perhaps?


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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeWed 12 May - 16:53

I noticed that Vogel is refering to 'David, Patrick, and Ivan Ineich. 1999' in his book Venomous snakes of Africa (Terralog).

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PostSubject: Re: Experiences with Elapsoidea?   Experiences with Elapsoidea? Icon_minitimeWed 12 May - 18:32

http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org

Maybe
Smith, A. 1849. Illustrations of the Zoology of South Africa. 3 (Reptiles). Smith, Elder, and Co., London

SMITH’s original spelling (1848) was corrected in a later volume of the “Illustrations” to “Sundevallii”.

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