Shipping?!

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Sorry if there's already another topic like this one!

Now, my question is, is there anyway of shipping venomous snake to Bulgaria from countries in Europe? And how's that way, is it legal?

Hi

I'm shure there are legal ways, if you have all papers and permissions....but not if you're 15 years old......

Regards

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

No problem, my parents can take care of everything Smile

! Just tell me what are the ways, cause I'm desperate ... not a good choice of venomous snakes or snakes at all in Bulgaria Sad

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just wait for few years. really.

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Why's that? You don't think that I'm old eunogh to take care of venomous snakes?

it's just an ethical issue, some of the people here a good breeders, and are not meant to support a minor to keep dangerous snakes wich are dangerous for you and your familly and you are not legaly responsible of your snakes, so like it's forbidden to show porn or violence to children it's also ethically forbidden to help them maintaining venomous snakes, there are laws in europe so in a legit forum we do all respect that!
sorry to desappoint you.
good luck

Hello Georgi

I had a lot of vipera ammodytes at 12 but looking back not very wise. Wait mybe 3+ more years and if you really want venomous snake buy some african tiger snake or some othe backfanged colubrid with mild venom and one you can tame. Your imune system is still in development and you can have serious consequences if you get bitten. For later my advice is to start with one of Akgistrodon Contorix Subspecies before you buy some really venomous and fast snakes. I dont know what kind of experience you have. Just an advice.

Regards, BKK

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

I have rattlers Smile

! I'm careful, I had a female Bitis arietans 80-100cm and she died, started having some eggs in her self, never lived with a male though and she died!

I do not know the laws in Bulgaria, but as a member state of the EU I guess it won't differ so much from other countries. Anyway, if Your parents allow You as a 15 year old kid to keep venomous snakes or if the allow You at least to get near to them (open terrarium) they are in prison with one foot right now.

I'd better not post here in the web that they are doing so in Your case Wink

Hi Georgi
At 15 I don’t think you fully understand the potential of your animals to kill or maim you. I was also 15 and I also thought I knew snakes and was careful with them. I’m not saying this to discourage you but rather to encourage you. Venomous snakes are dangerous animals many of the species kept kill people in their natural range. You should learn as much as you can from harmless snakes. So many harmless species are just as challenging, interesting and beautiful as venomous ones. As a venomous reptile keeper you have major responsibilities towards yourself, your family and neighbors, at 15 I don’t think you can comprehend this. I’m sure if you look around you will find some non venomous snakes that will suite your tastes and aspirations very well. While you are learning how to work with snakes you could find a competent adult venomous snake keeper who can act as a mentor for you. This is the best and safest way to learn.
Good luck

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:: I do not know the laws in Bulgaria, but as a member state of the EU I guess it won't differ so much from other countries. Anyway, if Your parents allow You as a 15 year old kid to keep venomous snakes or if the allow You at least to get near to them (open terrarium) they are in prison with one foot right now.

I'd better not post here in the web that they are doing so in Your case

There are no laws for venomous snakes in Bulgaria but soon there will be. I've tried to make him understand that he doesn't have enogh experience to keep hots but he doesn't listen. Not long ago a kid was bitten by a durissus in Bulgaria but fortunate for him it was a dry bite. C. durissus has been bred several times in Bulgaria and a lot of unexperienced people own a durissus. The sellers don't care who they sell them to they are just in it for the money.

you are right that there will be laws soon. hopefully there will be laws that dont allow under 18yr old to keep venomous in all countries. situation with C.durissus breeding in there doesnt sound good... things that happen in there can affect in other world too. like Michael said upper, there is enough interesting species that are non venomous.

Michael Burmeister wrote:: Hi Georgi
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While you are learning how to work with snakes you could find a competent adult venomous snake keeper who can act as a mentor for you. This is the best and safest way to learn.
Good luck

Too bad that in Bulgaria there are 2 or 3 people that can show you how to work with hots.

Martin Romanov wrote:

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:: I do not know the laws in Bulgaria, but as a member state of the EU I guess it won't differ so much from other countries. Anyway, if Your parents allow You as a 15 year old kid to keep venomous snakes or if the allow You at least to get near to them (open terrarium) they are in prison with one foot right now.

I'd better not post here in the web that they are doing so in Your case

There are no laws for venomous snakes in Bulgaria but soon there will be. I've tried to make him understand that he doesn't have enogh experience to keep hots but he doesn't listen. Not long ago a kid was bitten by a durissus in Bulgaria but fortunate for him it was a dry bite. C. durissus has been bred several times in Bulgaria and a lot of unexperienced people own a durissus. The sellers don't care who they sell them to they are just in it for the money.

No need for special laws about snakes - the laws about the duties of parents are way enough. I am quite sure that in Bulgaria parents are not allowed to endanger their kids in any way - including dangerous hobbies.

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:

Martin Romanov wrote:

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:: I do not know the laws in Bulgaria, but as a member state of the EU I guess it won't differ so much from other countries. Anyway, if Your parents allow You as a 15 year old kid to keep venomous snakes or if the allow You at least to get near to them (open terrarium) they are in prison with one foot right now.

I'd better not post here in the web that they are doing so in Your case

There are no laws for venomous snakes in Bulgaria but soon there will be. I've tried to make him understand that he doesn't have enogh experience to keep hots but he doesn't listen. Not long ago a kid was bitten by a durissus in Bulgaria but fortunate for him it was a dry bite. C. durissus has been bred several times in Bulgaria and a lot of unexperienced people own a durissus. The sellers don't care who they sell them to they are just in it for the money.

No need for special laws about snakes - the laws about the duties of parents are way enough. I am quite sure that in Bulgaria parents are not allowed to endanger their kids in any way - including dangerous hobbies.

Well you can always lie. Most Bulgarians (especially those from the country) are very uneducated and think that snakes are dangerous and should be killed. I bet his parents don't know how dangerous are the snakes he has.

Just an oppinion for this argument,

There is a fact that a lot of venomous snakes are kept by persons too young by law and with lack of eperience. I don't think of me of very experienced keeper and everybody make mistakes. I've learned a lot on this forum. This forum provides professional and amateur aspect of herpatology and the best way I ever foud on learning about keeping snakes. I keep snakes all my life venomous and nonvenomous (24 snakes - curently) and if when I was 15 something like this was available it would be very helpful. It's just my oppinion that raher than discourage young snake keepers try to give them good advice that will help them prevent future mistakes. They have allready made their mind and nothing will make them change it. I belive that some of members here kept dangerous snakes at home at 15 giving that we are from all over the world making them to some available at the front door. Help and guidance is the best way to help somebody and provide him/her with a good advice how to avoid gettig bitten when handling snakes. This forum has a lot of experienced keeper who can provide them with a good information.

BKK

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Hey Martin, I bet you're still upset I didn't give you the copperhead and the albolabris, right?! My parents are well aware of everything, stop with this please, no prison for no one! I'm getting more venomous snakes soon. I love snakes, you don't know what experience i have ... I had some non-venomous snakes before ... like boas, pyhtons, rat snakes, corn snakes, king snakes etc. that's not the point ... the point is I know with what am I dealing with! If i couldnt take care well of my cascavel would it give birth ?! ... End of discusion too. Every topic I make you ...

Georgi Jankov wrote:: Hey Martin, I bet you're still upset I didn't give you the copperhead and the albolabris, right?! My parents are well aware of everything, stop with this please, no prison for no one! I'm getting more venomous snakes soon. I love snakes, you don't know what experience i have ... I had some non-venomous snakes before ... like boas, pyhtons, rat snakes, corn snakes, king snakes etc. that's not the point ... the point is I know with what am I dealing with! If i couldnt take care well of my cascavel would it give birth ?! ... End of discusion too. Every topic I make you ...

Why would I be upset? Even if you did send them did you think that they will stay with me? No comment for the parents... The cascavel gave birth to 4...

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Maybe she was young :O ! ... You don't know me boy ... So take a hike! Why no comment for the parents ?! I have like another room for these animals!

thats not very nice to talk to people who are giving you good advice and sure isnt a good way of getting help with working with hots in the future.

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Michael Burmeister wrote:: Hi Georgi
At 15 I don’t think you fully understand the potential of your animals to kill or maim you. I was also 15 and I also thought I knew snakes and was careful with them. I’m not saying this to discourage you but rather to encourage you. Venomous snakes are dangerous animals many of the species kept kill people in their natural range. You should learn as much as you can from harmless snakes. So many harmless species are just as challenging, interesting and beautiful as venomous ones. As a venomous reptile keeper you have major responsibilities towards yourself, your family and neighbors, at 15 I don’t think you can comprehend this. I’m sure if you look around you will find some non venomous snakes that will suite your tastes and aspirations very well. While you are learning how to work with snakes you could find a competent adult venomous snake keeper who can act as a mentor for you. This is the best and safest way to learn.
Good luck

I've found a competent aduld venomous snake keeper who acts as a mentor for me! He's given me alot of advices etc. ! And Martin I didn't take my snakes from people who are in it for the money! NO REALLY!
Yes It's not a nice way to talk to people, but he isn't giving me good advices, just saying bad things 'bout me!
Martin stop writing to me, I though when i stopped writin to you, you'll stop, too, but I wasn't right!

i think he is being fair to be honest and giving you sound advice to say that maybe you should wait til your a little older, the venomous community is small and they help each other out, if someone told me that a black mamba wasnt good for me and explained why then i would take what ever advice i was given. people will respect and listen to you and when you wre experienced then would possibly give you all the advice and help that you need. dont get me wrong im not having a go at you or anything as we all start from somewhere and we all learn. ive had hots now for 1 year and im still learning and would love to learn lots more, who wouldnt as its a great hobby.

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

I got all of you the first time that's why CLICK Smile

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Georgi Jankov wrote:

Michael Burmeister wrote:: Hi Georgi
At 15 I don’t think you fully understand the potential of your animals to kill or maim you. I was also 15 and I also thought I knew snakes and was careful with them. I’m not saying this to discourage you but rather to encourage you. Venomous snakes are dangerous animals many of the species kept kill people in their natural range. You should learn as much as you can from harmless snakes. So many harmless species are just as challenging, interesting and beautiful as venomous ones. As a venomous reptile keeper you have major responsibilities towards yourself, your family and neighbors, at 15 I don’t think you can comprehend this. I’m sure if you look around you will find some non venomous snakes that will suite your tastes and aspirations very well. While you are learning how to work with snakes you could find a competent adult venomous snake keeper who can act as a mentor for you. This is the best and safest way to learn.
Good luck

I've found a competent aduld venomous snake keeper who acts as a mentor for me! He's given me alot of advices etc. ! And Martin I didn't take my snakes from people who are in it for the money! NO REALLY!
Yes It's not a nice way to talk to people, but he isn't giving me good advices, just saying bad things 'bout me!
Martin stop writing to me, I though when i stopped writin to you, you'll stop, too, but I wasn't right!

Why would someone give a hot to a kid when it's not for the money?

Newbie Number of posts : 34 Points : 5076 Registration date : 2010-08-09

Do you think someone would give me the cascavel for 15euro, because of the money !?!? I just wanted it bad, and he didn't have a choice, he knew i could handle the rattler!

And there never was a boy bitten by a cascavel in bulgaria, that was just a roumor! I know where you found that even! Gogo or Rosti Wink

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