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 Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis

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Zhimin Wang
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Ovophis monticola orientalis 1.0

Ovophis tonkinensis 0.1

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PostSubject: Re: Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis   Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct - 21:40

and what's the reason for producing these species bastards?
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PostSubject: Re: Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis   Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis Icon_minitimeWed 6 Oct - 22:55

Peter Zürcher wrote:
and what's the reason for producing these species bastards?
A good question(I was just wondering the same thing). Why not respond, Mr. Wang? Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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Sorry, this is just my personal thing, though I will publish their results, but ultimately this is just my personal thing, you think so?

At the same time I do not want to tell you it was an accident, yes, I deliberately so that they mate. But you do or do not understand. 2 species in the natural habitat of their origin overlap. I have been to those places. They will be in the natural environment, natural hybrid. So. I do not want to explain too much.
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I never intend to sell all of their baby。
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PostSubject: Re: Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis   Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis Icon_minitimeThu 7 Oct - 0:27

Thank you for your response, Mr. Wang. Your photo-essays are most welcome and much appreciated, especially for an individual like myself who is not as familiar with the Herpetology of China as I would like to be. I would prefer to see photographs of real Chinese snake species rather than hybrids or cross- breeds and I suspect that there may be other members here on this site who share that same view, as well. Good photography of some interesting and beautiful snakes, nonetheless. Thank you for posting this. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis   Ovophis monticola orientalis X Ovophis tonkinensis Icon_minitimeMon 19 Oct - 1:53

I am still confused as to what makes a O. m. orientalis vs a O. tonkinensis. It can't just be color, right? I found this DOR in China, based on color, which species would it be (if that is the defining character):
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if none of the pics are working, here's a link:
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Would love to have some concrete info on what defines all of the species, not just judging on where it was found (that works fine for when you are in the heart of the region of X species), but if you are in the middle of 3-4 species/ subspecies, going by color seems very subjective
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The non-venomous "hobby" is already full of ...
I respect your work, but i don't understand the aim. There is so many beautiful species to breed...
Don't you think it can improve the existing confusion about this taxon group to make hybrids?
Their distributions overmapping, right, but have they the same habitats? Do they really naturally crossing?
Thanks for the pics.
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