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PostSubject: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 4:16
Hello everybody!!
I want to find out 100%... Are there chances for Leucistics when I breed an albino male kaouthia to my het albino suphan female? Or what could I expect?

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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 5:25
Wether amelanistic nor suphan have to deal deal with leucistic, they're complitely different defect mutations on completely different loci
Additionally, leucism is lacking of pigment cells, whereas the reason for amelanism are pigment cells unable to produce melanin.
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 15:57
I always get confused with these, Peter.
You explained Leucism and Amelanism (thanks!), but what is Suphan? And ist Albino the same as Leucism? And what means "het"?
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 18:04
OK, so I cannot expect Lucistic animals.. But would I then only get albino and hetro albino kauthia babies?

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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 18:16
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OK, so I cannot expect Lucistic animals.. But would I then only get albino and hetro albino kauthia babies?

Depends on what you call "Suphan" really is. If it's genetic, you will have additionally some babies het. for that.

see here this former "suphan or not suphan"-discussion

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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 21:50
As Peter said, Leucistic is a completely different gene than Albino and Suphan. If you breed an albino to a Suphan 100% het albino, approximately 50% of the hatchlings will be albino, and the other hatchlings will be 100% het Albino and 100% het Suphan.
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 21:56
Isnt "suphan" from an area called Suphan Buri (changwat) of Thailand?
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 22:12
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And ist Albino the same as Leucism?

The problems on those discussions are the real meanings of the words or breeders ideas , if they create troubleshooting new names for their morphs - knowing nothing about genetics.
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 22:28
That was the reason why I asked Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 22:33
Yes Hans, the name Suphan comes from Suphan Buri Province, Thailand. Suphan Buri is North Northwest of BKK. And as WW said before, it is pronounced Soo-Pahn, but I still hear people pronounce it as Soo-Fan.


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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 23:31
Thank you very much!! Now I know exactly what I could expect.. So not even if I put 1.1 albino kaouthia, will I get Leucistic..?

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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeTue 7 Jun - 23:37
1.1. amelanistic kaouthia = 100% x.x amelanstic kaouthia
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeWed 8 Jun - 0:44
Fabian is correct about the albino breeding.

To get Leucistics, you must breed at least het Leucistic to het Leucistic, unless something extremely rare happens and a Leucistic just happens to pop up in a clutch.
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PostSubject: Re: Albino on het   Albino on het Icon_minitimeWed 8 Jun - 2:42
100% thanks you very much!!
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