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Ivan Caballes
Number of posts : 3
Age : 51
Location : saudi arabia
Points : 4154
Registration date : 2013-01-10
| Subject: Hi! Is this a venomous snake?  Sat 12 Jan - 6:15 | |
| Hello, first of I really don't know where to post this topic so. sorry if it's in a wrong place! I'm in Saudi Arabia, Riyadh and i caught a snake, I think his still a baby... I don't know! here is a picture of the snake:  I've searched the web about snakes in saudi arabia but not really sure if this is venomous or is this the one called "oriental carpet viper"? Thanks every one! | |
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Gustav Eloy
Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 662
Age : 37
Location : Aguascalientes, Mexico
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Registration date : 2010-09-09
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 8:10 | |
| do you have a pic of the head, but it looks like an Echis, for sure venemous be careful | |
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Nej Palaganas
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 53
Age : 36
Location : Asia
Points : 4225
Registration date : 2013-01-08
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 8:58 | |
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if you think it's a baby, the color pattern may also suggest the arabian/mediterrenean cat snake (telescopus fallax) which is rear-fanged and mildly venomous.
you might as well take a picture of the head. please do it carefully.
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Frank Manda
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 83
Age : 39
Location : USA
Points : 4288
Registration date : 2012-12-17
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 12:10 | |
| Kinda strange, the scales scream echis to me, but the head is kinda throwing me off a little bit, maybe just the angle. All of the T. fallax I've seen have a large, dark blotch on the nape of their neck, but I'm not especially familiar with that species, actually I'm not really familiar with a lot of the colubrids in that area though | |
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Nej Palaganas
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 53
Age : 36
Location : Asia
Points : 4225
Registration date : 2013-01-08
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 14:20 | |
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i know right? that's why we need to take a good look at the snake's head to know for sure hahaha
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Rainer Fesser
Systematicus
Number of posts : 565
Age : 74
Location : Austria
Points : 6510
Registration date : 2008-03-13
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 15:30 | |
| Spalerosophis diadema
Do you have any other photos or information? | |
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Petr Pape™ík
Snakekeeper
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Location : Otrokovice, CZ
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| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 16:04 | |
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Wolfgang Wüster
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Location : UK
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Registration date : 2008-03-12
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 19:06 | |
| Yup, Spalerosophis - they can look quite viper-like
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Frank Manda
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 83
Age : 39
Location : USA
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Registration date : 2012-12-17
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sat 12 Jan - 22:49 | |
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Alex Forzudo
Snakekeeper
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Age : 39
Location : Toledo, Spain
Points : 4710
Registration date : 2011-09-09
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sun 13 Jan - 0:15 | |
| Yes Rainer is right, it is Spalerosophis diadema cliffordi, I have one too. They're opistoglyph and their aspect may reminds vipers because they have not big head scales (especially on the posterior half) like the major part of colubrids, but have many and smaller ones like viperids... the coloration of this subspecies can deceive too. This is mine  | |
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Ivan Caballes
Number of posts : 3
Age : 51
Location : saudi arabia
Points : 4154
Registration date : 2013-01-10
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sun 13 Jan - 1:32 | |
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Rainer Fesser
Systematicus
Number of posts : 565
Age : 74
Location : Austria
Points : 6510
Registration date : 2008-03-13
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Sun 13 Jan - 3:30 | |
| Hello Ivan,
concerning the names and terms: Spalerosophis diadema (Diadem snake or Camel snake) is the species, cliffordi is the subspecies occuring in Saudi Arabia and further west, other subspecies in more eastern parts of the species´s range.
They usually take small mice and can grow quite quickly. Those I kept never tried to bite me.
Good luck with that fellow,
Rainer | |
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Ronald Streeter
Snakekeeper
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Age : 67
Location : California
Points : 4461
Registration date : 2012-06-08
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Mon 14 Jan - 20:06 | |
| Nice pictures Ivan! Great find there. Yes, as was stated earlier be cautious when herping where you live. You may not see Echis carinatus/Saw Scaled Viper, because it blends well with it's surroundings and is extremely haemotoxic/hemotoxic.
Regards Ron | |
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Ivan Caballes
Number of posts : 3
Age : 51
Location : saudi arabia
Points : 4154
Registration date : 2013-01-10
| | Subject: Re: Hi! Is this a venomous snake? Wed 16 Jan - 1:49 | |
| Thank you guys for the infos... I'll be very careful with this guy!
Have a nice day people! | |
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