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+20Christian Moisander Mikael Andersson Fabian Dirks Guenter Leitenbauer Janusz Bednarski Stefan Anthonijsz Ari Finsk Sonny Wiktorsson René Meierkord Michael Bollhorn Rémi Ksas Chintan Sheth Jon Davidson Peter van Issem Grégoire Meier Peter Zürcher Jörg Porstmann Mario Lutz Johan Pennanen Markus Gottlieb 24 posters |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 33 Location : Upper Austria Points : 5988 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 2:56 | |
| Hi guys 2 new animals I've got at the expo in Hamm Does anyone else you keep them? | |
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Johan Pennanen Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 238 Age : 40 Location : Sweden Points : 5910 Registration date : 2008-10-28
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 6:33 | |
| Very very nice Popeia.... i like the green eye´s!! / Johan | |
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Mario Lutz Lord of the Serpents
Number of posts : 1416 Age : 56 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines Points : 8194 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 13:34 | |
| Hi Markus,
just a stunning animal you got yourself... very special, especially the blue is great..
cheers M. | |
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Jörg Porstmann Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 243 Age : 50 Location : Ahlen, NRW, Germany Points : 6531 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 16:05 | |
| Hello Markus, can you tell me the different between Popia fucata from Malaysia and your P. nebularis? It´s not a joke why I´m asking. A lot of animals that are offered from Malaysia are P. fucata even if it is told that they are from the Cammeron Highlands.
Regards Jörg | |
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Peter Zürcher Admin
Number of posts : 1266 Age : 72 Location : Carinthia, Austria Points : 8123 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 16:36 | |
| Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg: Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels (2004) A review of morphological variation in Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.
I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....
Cheers Peter
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Grégoire Meier Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 136 Age : 47 Location : Ticino, Suisse Points : 5777 Registration date : 2008-11-27
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 17:22 | |
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Jörg Porstmann Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 243 Age : 50 Location : Ahlen, NRW, Germany Points : 6531 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 17:41 | |
| What sex is it on your pics? Do you have pics of the tail? | |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 33 Location : Upper Austria Points : 5988 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 20:05 | |
| Hi At first, these are 2 animals, i don't know it exactly yet, but I think it's a pair. One is smaller and has not such a big and flat head like the bigger one, pictures of their tales have to be done, I'll post them as soon as I made them. The pictures I posted, 1 & 2 = the small one 3 = the big one Thank you for your posts, the green eyes and the shape of the head are really awesome And here; the Big ones head and tail: | |
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Jörg Porstmann Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 243 Age : 50 Location : Ahlen, NRW, Germany Points : 6531 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 20:45 | |
| Ok you´re right that are really P. nebularis. Gernot Vogel told me that P. nebularis are the only species in the popeiorum complex with an "albolabris-tail". And he should know that because he descriped this species | |
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Peter van Issem Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 707 Age : 57 Location : GERMANY Points : 6377 Registration date : 2009-03-08
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 21 Mar - 23:08 | |
| The looks like CB snakes! Very nice!Both snakes on the pictures?
I have a pic from 2008, I have visited Malysia. I found there by an Exporter a lot of nebularis, but the don´t give them food them and enought water. So you can see the condition of the snakes on this pic. Only 2 from around 30 are looked ok, maby the have catch them the day before!? You can see two males on the picture, both has red and withe stripes. I don´t know if all males of nebularis has this! But you can see, that not all nebularis has green eyes...
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https://i.servimg.com/u/f80/13/70/04/74/p_nebu12.jpg | |
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Jon Davidson Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 512 Age : 68 Location : Toronto area, Canada Points : 6124 Registration date : 2009-02-28
| Subject: Nice... Sun 22 Mar - 0:52 | |
| Good photography work, Mr. Gottlieb and beautiful specimens, as well(I hope that you have a pair). Sincerely, Jon Davidson . | |
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Jon Davidson Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 512 Age : 68 Location : Toronto area, Canada Points : 6124 Registration date : 2009-02-28
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sun 22 Mar - 0:56 | |
| Thank you for pointing out the Vogel and Pauwels paper, Mr. Zurcher. It sounds like an interesting essay. Sincerely, Jon Davidson . | |
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Jörg Porstmann Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 243 Age : 50 Location : Ahlen, NRW, Germany Points : 6531 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sun 22 Mar - 3:06 | |
| - Peter van Issem wrote:
- The looks like CB snakes! Very nice!Both snakes on the pictures?
You can see two males on the picture, both has red and withe stripes. I don´t know if all males of nebularis has this!
Yes and no. Yes young male has it, but they loose their stripes when they´re getting older. One piont that make this species so special. | |
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Peter van Issem Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 707 Age : 57 Location : GERMANY Points : 6377 Registration date : 2009-03-08
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sun 22 Mar - 14:53 | |
| Ok, I know only adults! Years ago, I found a male around 50 cm. hat still has had the stripes! Maby the grow up mor than this size. The biggest adult female I ever seen was around 90 cm. A very nice species for sure! | |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 33 Location : Upper Austria Points : 5988 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sun 22 Mar - 19:51 | |
| Hi everybody, Thank you for all your posts. Yeah they look really fine for WC animals, i've got them from a good friend, he mainly imports arachnids (birdspiders) and he only got this 2 animals from his exporteur in Malaysia, so, not all WC animals are near death (but sadly the most...) I will post again when I have the tail pictures. Best regards Markus | |
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Chintan Sheth Newbie
Number of posts : 8 Age : 35 Location : India Points : 5449 Registration date : 2009-06-22
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sat 27 Jun - 19:08 | |
| ok guys..whats the diff between an albolabris tail and a Popeiorum complex tail?? ive seen both in India(north-east himalayas). Is the difference something got to do with the amont of red that covers the tail?? more in popeiorum than in albolabris or something i have not noticed... And yes as Peter Zurcher said if anyone has access to that paper in 2004 please let us know... | |
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Rémi Ksas Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 77 Age : 46 Location : France (near Paris) Points : 5802 Registration date : 2008-10-04
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Sun 28 Jun - 18:15 | |
| there is the complete publication:
A review of morphological variation in Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with the description of two new species | |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 33 Location : Upper Austria Points : 5988 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Fri 3 Jul - 15:07 | |
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Michael Bollhorn Snakemaster
Number of posts : 286 Age : 51 Location : Hamburg / Germany Points : 6152 Registration date : 2008-05-05
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Fri 3 Jul - 15:46 | |
| Great shots from real stunners!
Regards
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René Meierkord Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 110 Age : 41 Location : Germany Points : 5574 Registration date : 2009-06-28
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Fri 3 Jul - 17:19 | |
| Fantastic pics of fantastic snakes!!! | |
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Sonny Wiktorsson Newbie
Number of posts : 25 Age : 60 Location : Sweden Points : 5862 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Wed 8 Jul - 4:22 | |
| - Peter Zürcher wrote:
- Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg:
Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels (2004) A review of morphological variation in Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.
I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....
Cheers Peter
I've got the full article if you still want it... | |
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Rémi Ksas Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 77 Age : 46 Location : France (near Paris) Points : 5802 Registration date : 2008-10-04
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Thu 9 Jul - 3:21 | |
| - Sonny Wiktorsson wrote:
- Peter Zürcher wrote:
- Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg:
Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels (2004) A review of morphological variation in Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.
I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....
Cheers Peter
I've got the full article if you still want it... I put a link for the full article in a previous message. the link: CLICK HERE | |
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Ari Finsk Snakemaster
Number of posts : 266 Age : 66 Location : Finland Points : 5804 Registration date : 2009-04-14
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Fri 10 Jul - 18:19 | |
| Wow .... really stunning snakes and photos too ... and now I´m really jealous again. Hope everything goes well with them. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Tue 14 Jul - 9:29 | |
| Markus, You are the man. I picked up one of these at the columbia show several months ago and have had the hardest time identifying him and with your pics. it was easy he is the spitting image of your animal. Here he is. Sorry for the quality its a cell phone camera. |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 33 Location : Upper Austria Points : 5988 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Re: Popeia nebularis Thu 29 Oct - 15:56 | |
| Hi @Remi Ksas: Thank you very much for the article! It's a great paper. @Timothy: Nice one you got there :-) And one thing I have to say, in the article the longest recordet nebularis was about 100cm, the last shed of my bigger one was above 120 cm, real big beatuy Will post some new pictures these days cheers | |
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