Hemachatus haemachatus - My Jewels from South Africa - Kokstad

I get 2,1 at the Hamm-Show, all 3 eats perfect froozen mice... bounce

Not the best pics but I won´t stress them to much.
In real all 3 have the same yellow like the 2nd male!

The female (~80 cm):

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The 1st male (~75 cm):

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The 2nd male (~85 cm):

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Regards
Michael

Hey Michael,

really nice Jewels do you have.
Thanks for sharing.

Do you keep them together?

Cheers, Tom

Those are some stunning animals !! I would love to have a pair .. but then again,, I allready have nigricollis and those spit enough for me lol

The illegal trafficking of animals from SA to Hamm is reflected all over the internet on many different websites.
The main illegal route is SA to Germany.
I see animals in avatars which must be from this season's pickings and it makes me want to vomit on my laptop keybord.

European buyers arent to blame as they are often not aware that the animals are smuggled.
Know what you are buying before you purchase any animals.

I just commited local suicide.

Nice Rinkhals. Really nice banded animals. Rinkhals is an Afrikaans language word for neckless.
Good luck with them.
Regards
Marthinus

Oh my god

they are so damn awesome! The last pic...I have no words to describe it Very Happy

Cheers

Guest

Just in-fing-credible specimens. Thanks for the great pictures.

I wonder why they are not in the Naja genus though?

There are a few reasons for that Cakmak.
Amongst others, they are live bearers and they have keeled scales.

Hello Marthinus,

You write:
"The illegal trafficking of animals from SA to Hamm is reflected all over the internet on many different websites.
The main illegal route is SA to Germany.
I see animals in avatars which must be from this season's pickings and it makes me want to vomit on my laptop keybord.
European buyers arent to blame as they are often not aware that the animals are smuggled.
Know what you are buying before you purchase any animals."

I agree in most things you express but not in one: Most of the buyers are to blame. Almost everybody here knows that it is illegal to bring animals out of SA, in most of the animals it is clear and easy to see that they are wild-caught. And where should they come from (in this case) than from SA?

Michael: Beautyful animals, I understand it is hard to say no in this case.

I wish you all a good year 2010,

Rainer

@ Reiner.
It is a difficult situation really.
Lets take Namibian Luderitz cornuta, Mpumalanga Bitis atropos Northern-Cape cornuta and various other endemic species including Bitis peringueyi, Telescopus beetzii etc.

Here are the facts:
* Namibia does not allow any export of reptiles at all. These Namibian animals are caught year after year with few Captive Bred animals leaving SA. My personal views are that if its Captive Bred then in many ways I dont care what the origin of the animals are. If its WC then you know you are contributing to unregulated and uncontrolled theft of wildlife or poaching if you will.

* The Northern-Cape privince in South-Africa will never allow export of WC animals unless for scientific purposes.
The animals are smuggled into the KZN province which is the only remaining province which is left unregulated. We hope this will change in the near future.

There are a few breeders here in SA who are prepared to go to the lengths of providing top quality and select Captive Bred legal animals.
STOP ILLEGAL TRADE

Guest

Marthinus C. Harmse wrote:: There are a few reasons for that Cakmak.
Amongst others, they are live bearers and they have keeled scales.

Name is Yasin mate.

And yeah, that makes sense. I should get a pair of these, are cb available anytime?

Oh god, they are absolutely wonderfull, really nice and cool snakes, congrats. The last picture is so nice:)

Guest

awesome specimen's Cool

,realy want to have some like those one day

I wont comment on the legalities but will say that this group are among the nicest looking I have seen, and I have seen many even from Kokstad.

Thanks for the pictures,nice snakes Michael. Very Happy

Regards,
Karl

Many thanks for your compliments and statements about the smuggling...

Before this thread startet I don´t know the WC animals from SA all illegal. In the past I keep only snakes from South America and Asia without this problems...
... but if someone lift his Finger: don´t forget to remember about the African guys who ordering the European vipers every year! This snakes all listet WA II...

I wish you all a very good, happy and healthy new year 2010, good luck with your families, your snakes and many fine litters!

With kind regards
Michael

Hi Michael.

Thank you for the good wishes.
The problem lies with the origin of the animals.
Once in KZN these animals of illegal origin can possibly be exported legally if not smuggled anyway.
Do you see what we are faced with?
Coincidentally I do not keep any European animals at all.
All I would advise keepers to do is to request proof that the snakes purchased are CB or 100 % legal by requesting import/export permits.
It should solve most of our problems.

I myself enjoy herping very much but I feel it is important that we halt destruction of this magnitude.
I feel that it is our responsibility to keep the animals' interests at heart as its from them which we get our endless joy.
I do not wish to take the subject much further here, but you are welcome to PM me.

All the best.
Marthinus

Hey Michael how are the animals doing ? I hope you can breed these !! the 2nd male is ridiculous.

Here is a new Locality for H.haemechatus possesing some very interesting green coloring
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Hi Andrew, you´re right - very intersting coloring! I never saw it before.
Where they come from?

My Hemachatus doing very well! I never saw a copulation but I think my girl is pregnant.
She looks every week a little bit bigger, searching for higher temps and is freakishly to her male...
So I hope and cross my fingers...!

I need new pictures from my Rinkhals, the 1st male goes more to white/yellow and not brownish like the pic you see here and the 2nd male is much more yellow after a few sheds!
Only the female goes a little bit darker, black dust at the last third.

Regards
Michael

Hey Michael , that does sound very good towards the breeding ! Please reserve me the prettiest 1.1 after your hold-backs.

The new animals is from near Harrismith area.
Like you said , pictures is always great of your animals Smile

Ciao
Andrew

Hello Michael,

very nice Rinkhals.
I wish you all the best for breeding.

I am another one who is really interested in some of these.

Go on.

Patrick

Great looking Rinkhals.

Marthinus C. Harmse wrote:: Nice Rinkhals. Really nice banded animals. Rinkhals is an Afrikaans language word for neckless.

I am no afrikaaner but I think it means ring-necked as in a ring or band around the neck Marthinus.

The exclusion from the naja genus also includes the fang structure, that being a canal along the fang rather than the tip. As you say live bearing and keeled scales are others.

These snakes have been bred a number of times in Europe and so I would be reluctant to brand each and every one "smuggled"?

Quote :: These snakes have been bred a number of times in Europe and so I would be reluctant to brand each and every one "smuggled"?

I think we all know the truth here Brett , but you are correct in someway which perhaps you did not expect.

These animals is from Kokstad - KZN , so it is legal to collect the animals from the wild but you can only export legally if you breed the WC collected animals and send the babies. These animals were exported from KZN in a shipment so there WILL be PERMITS for this animals , so technically they is NOT SMUGGLED and they is LEGAL , but to cut the BULLSHIT the truth is these animals was not captive bred buy the exporter.

So techincally it is not Michaels fault! BUT If he feels bad "morally" or the exporter told him they was WC animals, he can breed the adults keep the babies and then export the adults back to the exporter in South Africa , Then everything "technically speaking " will be balanced legally !

TOTALY RIDICULOUS !

Quote :: I am no afrikaaner but I think it means ring-necked as in a ring or band around the neck Marthinus

I don't think anyone give a shit if it is necklace or a ring-necked.

Ok Andrew, there is no need to get your panties in a knot about it Razz

The fact I am correct does not suprise me though. In my opinion if you catch the snake in the wild and keep it in your collection here in SA or export it to Europe, what is the difference?

In regards to the "necklace", "neck-less", or ring-necked - I don't really care either to be honest, just bored at work.

Hey Brett ! I am not wearing any panties !!! Smile

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