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Number of posts : 41 Age : 52 Location : South Africa Points : 6081 Registration date : 2008-04-28
Subject: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 15:23
A few years ago I acquired some baby Montivipera wagneri from Peter Pastor.
I raised them to adult and last year I put them in my fridge for 2 months at about 5 degrees.
The female subsequently gave me 4.4 healthy babies.
Here they are mating in September, about 2 weeks after coming out the fridge.
It was quite funny how the female dragged the male around the cage for hours. here is a video to see...
Then on Christmas eve i received a nice gift...
After they shed..
All babies are big and taking pinks no problem. I LOVE this species.
The Montivipera raddei is gravid too and i will post here when she gives birth soon.
Thanks for looking
Kim Genens Newbie
Number of posts : 5 Age : 45 Location : Belgium Points : 5430 Registration date : 2010-01-10
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 17:13
They look amazing!
Congrats!
Andre Schmid Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 195 Age : 39 Location : germany Points : 5785 Registration date : 2009-09-20
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 17:52
Fantastic colors.....very beautiful - congrats !
Thomas Christ Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 96 Age : 46 Location : Germany Points : 6044 Registration date : 2008-09-06
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 18:28
Hi Craig
Montivipera are very nice and interesting snakes..
Congrats and have fun with them.
Cheers, Tom
Ari Finsk Snakemaster
Number of posts : 266 Age : 67 Location : Finland Points : 5992 Registration date : 2009-04-14
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 19:08
Congrats Craig, just stunning babies ... if I were closer I would probaply visit to you at night time ... all good to you and your little ones
Michael Jonasson Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 153 Age : 45 Location : Sweden Points : 5706 Registration date : 2009-10-21
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 17 Jan - 20:07
Congrats, the colour of those are fantastic. Good work
Craig Van Rensburg Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 41 Age : 52 Location : South Africa Points : 6081 Registration date : 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 18 Jan - 2:22
Thanks for the comments everybody.
Euro Vipers are not very popular in South Africa and i don't understand why. They are beautiful animals with many have an interesting natural history. My favorite are the different color forms of ammodytes (Scutari, ruffoi) and the kaznakovi complex (dinniki, orlovi, etc). I have scutari and ruffoi and I plan to get the kaznakovi complex soon and hopefully breed them one day.
Brian Petrie Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239 Age : 72 Location : England Points : 6126 Registration date : 2008-09-23
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sun 14 Feb - 23:37
Hi Craig, These are fantastic photos of superb animals. I aquired a pair of wagneri from a European show last October. The female has just shed, so I did a ventral scale count, and it was 151. According to True Vipers, by Mallow, Ludwig and Nilson, wagneri have a ventral count of 161-170. Have you counted your adults ventral scales? I was wondering if these could be albizona. Cheers, Brian.
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 1:18
I love Vipers that live in and around Turkey.
Ari Finsk Snakemaster
Number of posts : 266 Age : 67 Location : Finland Points : 5992 Registration date : 2009-04-14
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 2:40
M.Yasin Cakmak wrote:
I love Vipers that live in and around Turkey.
Quess who got 1.1 Vipera xanthinas a week ago ... lovely little puffing ones !
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 3:52
Cool
I have 1.3 but my male is too young to breed. I need an adult male xanthina for breeding loan or for sale ASAP.
Brian Petrie Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239 Age : 72 Location : England Points : 6126 Registration date : 2008-09-23
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 6:19
I have 2.1 xanthina, and I have the opposite problem to you Yasin, my oldest male is at breeding size, but my female isn`t, it`s a shame you do not live closer. Cheers, Brian.
Miqe Erikzen Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 204 Age : 58 Location : Knutby, Sweden Points : 5970 Registration date : 2008-12-02
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 16:04
I think that Yasin and Brian have to check localitys and other information that might be of interest, just to see if there is a good idea to start a little "Eurobreeding" by tossing the whole lot i a cage and wait..
If that mix is ok.. Maybe wait for about 3 years, and then talk to Are here..
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Mon 15 Feb - 16:05
Well, I can give my females for loan but we gotta meet somewhere in the middle .
Brian Petrie Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239 Age : 72 Location : England Points : 6126 Registration date : 2008-09-23
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Wed 17 Feb - 6:47
Hi Miqe and Yasin, I would love to start breeding programmes for all the Montivipera species. Due to over collection for the pet trade, restricted distribution, hunting and environmental factors, this genus is under real threat in the wild. It is my dream to specialise in this genus in the future. I have now, 2.1 xanthina, 1.1 raddei, and 1.1 wagneri, and I am going to try and get a couple of more species this year and try to breed from them. Cheers, Brian.
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Wed 17 Feb - 8:51
Brian Petrie wrote:
Hi Miqe and Yasin, I would love to start breeding programmes for all the Montivipera species. Due to over collection for the pet trade, restricted distribution, hunting and environmental factors, this genus is under real threat in the wild. It is my dream to specialise in this genus in the future. I have now, 2.1 xanthina, 1.1 raddei, and 1.1 wagneri, and I am going to try and get a couple of more species this year and try to breed from them. Cheers, Brian.
Great idea Brian. If they become more available as CB, than it should reduce the amount of wild caught specimens in theory. Good luck with this.
Regards,
James
PS - Great pictures!
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Wed 17 Feb - 14:57
How old are your male xanthinas Brian?
Brian Petrie Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239 Age : 72 Location : England Points : 6126 Registration date : 2008-09-23
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Thu 18 Feb - 3:20
Hi Yasin, My smaller male was born 07/11/2008 amd is approximately 65cm long. My larger male came into the UK " illegally" in a shipment of slate which docked at Felixtow, and was found by H,M Customs and Excise, who took it to the West Midlands Safari Park. They knew I was looking for xanthina, so they gave it to me. It is approximately 85 cm long. I would say it is about two years old. I do not know where the shipment came from, so I do not know it`s location. It is light grey with completely black blotches, no yellow or olive in the zig-zags. Cheers, Brian.
Hi James, Yes, this is the idea, Cheers, Brian.
Ari Finsk Snakemaster
Number of posts : 266 Age : 67 Location : Finland Points : 5992 Registration date : 2009-04-14
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Thu 18 Feb - 3:36
Miqe Erikzen wrote:
If that mix is ok ... Maybe wait for about 3 years, and then talk to Are here..
My "Antalyas" are, hopefully, then about 3 years old and we will see how the things goes on ... if we are lucky we have few new xantinas to "eurobreeding" group ...
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Thu 18 Feb - 7:46
Brian I can really use the 85 cm male on a breeding loan. I have 3 females ready to go. Care to land him to me for a while in exchange for some of the possible babies?
Brian Petrie Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239 Age : 72 Location : England Points : 6126 Registration date : 2008-09-23
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sat 20 Feb - 15:23
Hi Yasin, I am hoping to pick up a couple of xanthinas at the Hamm or Houten shows in a month or so, if I don`t get a big enough female we will have to get your females and my male together. I also hope to get bulgardaghica at one of the shows. I will keep you posted. Cheers, Brian.
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Montivipera wagneri breeding.... Sat 20 Feb - 16:24
Sun 17 Jan - 15:23
... all good to you and your little ones
