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PostSubject: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeMon 8 Mar - 21:46
Hi@all
I have a question about the right subspecies-naming. I know the Tropidolaemus-complex is in a revision. But at this time, what I have to write for the different localities?

Is it possible to describe using the names of local forms?
For example:
All animals from Sulawesi are T. wagleri subannulatus or T. subannulatus
All animals from Sumatra are T. wagleri
All animals from Kalimantan are T. wagleri immaculatus or T. immaculatus (just as an example!)
All animals from Palawan are T. wagleri whatever

Or is it better (correct), if I describe my animals as T. wagleri Sumatra, T. wagleri Sulawesi, T. wagleri Kalimantan and so on?

Perhaps Mario (or other persons, who are involved) can give us a little update on the revision at this time...

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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeTue 30 Mar - 18:27
Mario is the wagmaster.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeWed 31 Mar - 13:55
Im very intrested in this aswell. Any wag-masters out therese who want to enlighten us with this?

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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeWed 31 Mar - 17:20
I keep 1.3 t. subannulatus and they are one of my favorite ssp. they are absolutely incredible. Just dont let their subdued disposition lax your judgement or attention. Very large fangs and no antivenin. Not to mention incredible prehinsile tail strength and the fact that they can very easily throw 2/3 of there body very rapidly at what is in range.
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Timothy,
First; belive me, I have really (really!) nothing against you. But is it really necessary, that you must post in every thread, also when you have nothing to contribute to the topic?
The question here are the ssp-names, nothing else...

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yes since the T.wagleri and subanulatus is one of my favorite it would be interssting to know the correct names
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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeThu 1 Apr - 5:21
I just try to observe, and let others handle most of the answering. My comments are usually short and sweet. Pertaining to this thread. Sumatra,kalimantan, and palawan are all combined under t. Wagleri. Sulawesi as well as other island variations are catagorized under t. Subannulatus. That is my understanding for dealers in the U.S. as well as private collectors. Immaculatus is not used in the U.S. for all intensive purposes. But as I said Mario is the resident waglers expert.
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PostSubject: naming of Tropidolaemus   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeMon 14 Jun - 18:31
Hello,

the correct names at the moment are:
Sulawesi: T. subannulatus
Sumatra: T. wagleri
Kalimantan: T. subannulatus
Palawan: T. subannulatus

No subspecies are used at the moment.
It is very fine to say the island.

So for example T. wagleri from Sumatra is a bit different from Malaysia. It is good if you name it T. wagleri (Sumatra form). So everybody knows what you exactly are talking about.
Same for the other islands, as here some names change.

Many names will change, but not that one for Sumatra or West-Malaysia, the differences are too small.

You can ask for the original paper of the first part of the review by Email, I am not allowed to put it on my page:
gernot.vogel@t-online.de

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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeMon 14 Jun - 19:59
Timothy Sieber wrote:
I keep 1.3 t. subannulatus and they are one of my favorite ssp. they are absolutely incredible. Just dont let their subdued disposition lax your judgement or attention. Very large fangs and no antivenin. Not to mention incredible prehinsile tail strength and the fact that they can very easily throw 2/3 of there body very rapidly at what is in range.


Hi Timothy, you should show some of your wagleris(pictures)

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PostSubject: Re: Question about the correct ssp-Names   Question about the correct ssp-Names Icon_minitimeTue 15 Jun - 2:12
Gernot Vogel wrote:
Hello,

the correct names at the moment are:
Sulawesi: T. subannulatus
Sumatra: T. wagleri
Kalimantan: T. subannulatus
Palawan: T. subannulatus

No subspecies are used at the moment.
It is very fine to say the island.

So for example T. wagleri from Sumatra is a bit different from Malaysia. It is good if you name it T. wagleri (Sumatra form). So everybody knows what you exactly are talking about.
Same for the other islands, as here some names change.

Many names will change, but not that one for Sumatra or West-Malaysia, the differences are too small.

You can ask for the original paper of the first part of the review by Email, I am not allowed to put it on my page:
gernot.vogel@t-online.de

Gernot

Hi Gernot,
Many thanks to you. I will send you an email in the next few days...

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