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PostSubject: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeThu 13 May - 21:42

just seen on a swiss forum:
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2010/05/fort_worth_zoo.php?c=pfs

Maybe our US friends here do know more about it?

Is that true or just a fake?

Anyway - it's unbelievable to me

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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeFri 14 May - 0:44

The only thing I want to say is that the problems we are facing here with the laws being inforced and allegations of mistreatment of animals whether fact or false, is getting out of control. The majority of "big" dealers here are cutting the throats of legit and responsible owners and breeders! I'm actually all for more laws being put in place to protect the animals and the rights of those who truly and I mean truly love these animals and continue to breathe in this money infested fog that sucks the life out of responsible and compitent owners and breeders. It's a shame that we here in the USA are watching are rights be taking away do to greed and lies. I agree that alot of "people" should and I hope do lose their animals and I also would like to see the shows be knocked down a few. To many people care about the money and not who they selling the animals to. So much deceit and lies is whats causing our rights right now to be on the door step with government trash ready to be dicarded like yesterdays news. I say instead of fighting the government let's go after the "people" that are causing this problem, their the ones doing this not the government sitting around saying" hum what group of people do we want to piss off". These "people" are the root of it, I say ban against these people or wait....DO YOU BUY YOUR ANIMALS FROM PEOPLE LIKE THIS!!!
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeFri 14 May - 2:39

I won't comment directly on the content of this video clip, as we all know that PETA has been known to present many circumstances and insolated incidents out of context. However, I believe that PETA has raised some valid points with regard to how animals- reptiles and amphibians in particular- are maintained in captivity. For example, we've seen the howls of protest from the pet reptile keeping community over the recent legal restrictions imposed on the private ownership of certain python(and other reptile) species in the U.S. ; but who is really responsible for these new restrictions? I understand that some reptile importers in Florida(for example) have simply shrugged off their role regarding the problem of invasive python species in their state. I agree with the view expressed that many pet reptile wholesalers in the U.S. who imported vast numbers of exotic reptile species- that had a clear and obvious potential to establish themselves in a semi-tropical foreign location which is widely known to be prone to high winds, storms and hurricanes- and housing those animals outdoors in flimsily constructed wire and wood cages, was irresponsible, to say the least. Another point of contention that I believe is worth some consideration is that somewhere along the line, the average pet reptile keeper appears to have come to believe that keeping reptiles- snakes in particular- in tiny, little plastic containers with snap down lids with little more than some sterile wood shavings and a water bowl is the ideal way in which to house and keep reptiles/snakes in captivity. It seems obvious to me that these kinds of reptile/snake keepers have simply emulated the reptile wholesalers who keep their snakes and reptiles in these little plastic boxes stacked up in 'racks' like isolation cells in a maximum security prison. In my view, some of the concerns raised by the PETA folks, and other like minded individuals, have merit. Perhaps the question that we should ask ourselves is: Do we have a 'right' to keep live animals in captivity, or is it a privilege to keep and maintain live animals in a private setting? Are living animals merely commodities to be consumed by prevailing market forces or are animals- as living entities- deserving of respect and humane treatment while in the care of their Human keepers? Sincerely, Jon Davidson . Writer's edit: slight edit for grammatical correctness.


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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeFri 14 May - 8:28

I don´t care if the video might have been cut so he "comes out bad". I don´t know the guy but I can only tell him he might be glad that I am not able to look him up. I really hate people like him who just don´t give a damn about animals! No matter if it are reptiles. He should be locked in a room and let him die out!!!!!
Some of you might think I am over reacting but people who think animals are less then himself and let them die because they are to lazy to do anything may get a bullit in the head for all I care!.

This really pisses me off
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeMon 17 May - 23:23

Just my 2 Cents to Peta
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeTue 18 May - 4:10

Sascha Müller wrote:
Just my 2 Cents to Peta
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
I'm no fan of PETA. They have been consistently careless with the facts and people's reputations and their media stunts and public antics are disgraceful. In my view, zealots of any kind are unappealing. PETA's media 'persona', public behaviour and often times unsubstantiated claims draws attention away from what I believe are otherwise legitimate points of concern. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeTue 18 May - 9:12

i am not impressed with PETA either...

could not care less for folks like them, to me, there are after donations, in order to get them, they would do anything, including lying, cover ups for their own shit and putting other peoples down, regardless by how much harm they do to someone or somethings... just like politicians..... what a wonderful world...
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeTue 18 May - 15:48

PETA uses the arms of politics - don't care about the facts, just create an impact. Can't blame them for that, that's the real life in our days. If You want to win against such behaviour You have to do the same. Sadly it is a matter of honour to me to be honest so I always lose against such people and I guess most scientists think similar.
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PostSubject: Re: true or faked?   true or faked? Icon_minitimeWed 19 May - 3:31

Guys, any topic like this really makes me sick. No further comment.
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