Bushmasters, both the AR and the pit viper!

Snakes are beautiful, but here in the Balkan, only girls use AR15 Laughing

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what is coming up next?a tank?

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:

stuart douglas wrote:: It's worth noting, that since the UK banned handguns, gun crime has actually increased!

Sorry Stu, no statistically relevant increase:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm

I don't want to talk too much about statistics here ... but at these low samples 3% up or down are far beyond any statistically relevance.

@Chris:
So You meant Piotr not me, OK, I did not get this at first.

You know what Oscar Wilde said? "There are lies, damn lies and statistics" If the BBC said "Good morning" I'd check my watch......they are owned by the government and so will tout whatever party line they are told to. I spent that last eleven years working in the British prison system and can tell you that the number of gun related offences was on the rise year on year, based upon the number of prisoners coming into the system with offences of that nature.

Michele very nice, lol @ Predrag, thats some serious fire power!

I had no idea that anyones feelings would be hurt by this photo. I would not have posted it if that was the case. In any case it's pretty much summed up throughout this thread. I won't get into details as this is not the place.

Hahahahahaha @ Pedrag Laughing

sascha beckhoff wrote:: what is coming up next?a tank?

Just what I was thinking Very Happy

@Pedrag: The Hell! Why do you own a Bazooka? O.o

greetings

Sorry for my reaction, but I dont understand this.
For me this really not good for the mind (picture) of venomous snake keepers.

Neil Villard wrote:: Sorry for my reaction, but I dont understand this.
For me this really not good for the mind (picture) of venomous snake keepers.

I agree; and Thank you for posting your comments, Mr. Villard. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

It always those Sebrs showing their wapons!! :-))))

stuart douglas wrote:: You can kill people just as effectively with a kitcken knife, screwdriver, baseball/cricket bat, hammer........it's the person on the end of the weapon that dictates the end result, not the item itself.

A person, yes, but when did you last hear of someone going on a rampage with a kitchen knife and killing a dozen people, à la Hungerford, Dunblane or Cumbria?

Moreover, "gun crime" covers a wide variety of offences. The actual number of gun homicides in the UK is vanishingly small , something of the order of 50 per annum in a population of 60 million (within an already low rate of homicides in the UK).

Wolfgang Wüster wrote:

stuart douglas wrote:: You can kill people just as effectively with a kitcken knife, screwdriver, baseball/cricket bat, hammer........it's the person on the end of the weapon that dictates the end result, not the item itself.

A person, yes, but when did you last hear of someone going on a rampage with a kitchen knife and killing a dozen people, à la Hungerford, Dunblane or Cumbria?

Moreover, "gun crime" covers a wide variety of offences. The actual number of gun homicides in the UK is vanishingly small , something of the order of 50 per annum in a population of 60 million (within an already low rate of homicides in the UK).

Agreed, less likely - but what about the two recent incidents in China where they went on a rampage at schools with a knife killing pupils? It is a lot easier to do it with a gun agreed. But at the end of the day if you are mentally unstable and wielding a gun or a knife, you are just as dangerous.

On the flip side, if you are a responsible person, having either is not a problem.

Brett Franklin wrote:: Agreed, less likely - but what about the two recent incidents in China where they went on a rampage at schools with a knife killing pupils? It is a lot easier to do it with a gun agreed. But at the end of the day if you are mentally unstable and wielding a gun or a knife, you are just as dangerous.

On the flip side, if you are a responsible person, having either is not a problem.

If those chinese would have had automatic guns maybe hundreds of people would have been killed ...

I simply do not understand how someone who is confronted that much with gun crimes as people in South Africa can argue like that. We in Austria are the 4th safest country out of 149 due to the 2009 UN statistics and I am sure that the strong laws for private firearms do its work here too. People is nothing better here or there but there are simply less possibilities (and of course less social tensions).

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:: I simply do not understand how someone who is confronted that much with gun crimes as people in South Africa can argue like that. We in Austria are the 4th safest country out of 149 due to the 2009 UN statistics and I am sure that the strong laws for private firearms do its work here too. People is nothing better here or there but there are simply less possibilities (and of course less social tensions).

It's one of those classic game theory conundrums. While a society without guns may be much nicer and safer, it is not in the interests of any one individual to be the one without a gun in a gun-carrying society with high levels of gun crime. If I lived in S. Africa or parts of the US and could reasonably expect a burglar or other miscreant to be armed, then I might well decide to buy a gun as well, despite my firm belief that a gun-free society is a better society.

However, I would strongly object to a liberalisation of gun laws in the UK, because we are in a low gun ownership society (Daily Mail headlines notwithstanding), and therefore the need for a gun for protection very rarely arises.

You got it spot on Wolfgang.
My aim was never to disarm the "one person" but to point out that disarming in general must be the goal.

Sorry Guenter. I did not mean it as an argument, just when I read it the recent issues in China came to mind.

I am not a fan of guns by any stretch of the imagination. I don't own one and never will. But living in South Africa you see amny types of ways that people kill each other, and guns is not just one of them. Large bush knives called "panga's" are often a favourite way of ending someone life while they sleep.

Apologies if that came across argumentative.

I do not understand what so many discussions, because the weapons and poisonous snakes
exactly the same thing, because both in the wrong hands, can make the same damage...

One of the major terms in the nature, is of the predators and their prey, and I apologize that I
do not want it easy to belong to these others, and because I consider myself as wolf, not as
sheep...

It is easy to talk and give their comments from the countries that due to their economic development
stable and secure, but I would ask you to live in countries where there is a real possibility of the
outbreak of war, where every moment one can fall into your house, hijack you or make someone
else a crime against you, or members of your family, whether you would think so on weapons...

Someone who has decided to kill, he will do with anything, and in this case John and I'm just a little
bit more forward thinking about the potential threats to us and our families, and how to effectively
neutralize such threats, what will you pacifists with empty hands but be a little harder...

Not to be confusing, it was Bazooka used 10tak years ago, and this photo was just a joke on John
photo with his arms, so no fear, the Serbs have not their own private bazookas (at least 80% of them
do not)...

I think that really is no purpose to argue about this, and further spoil this wonderful topic of Buschmaster,
so Please John, give us more of the images...

Best regards

Predag I know what you mean!
To defend the family should be fine, but with a gun your neighbor needs "bigger" guns and this will lead to arms race, like in history in some countries.

rgds Fabian

My reaction is not against the weapon, but against weapon with snakes.

BTW the argument "Guns don't kill people, people do"you can legalize everything.
Drugs don't kill people, but the people who take drugs... Take what ever you want.

If I woud get involved in some trouble in the US I would always have to be afraid that some crazy guy will pull out his gun. In europe I don't even think about the posibility of someone carrying a gun. I feel much safer in europe without a gun than I would in the states with a gun in every pocket.

JohnLight wrote:: I thought you all may enjoy this photo:

Tell me if I'm wrong John

is that a Bushmaster AR15 with granate launcer.???????????????Say the modern M16?

DOn't mind the snake (Elapaphyle) but REALLY LOVE THE MACHINE GUN

BOys love there toys Basketball

Though i would love to own a gun like that i have to say the firearm pales in comparison to the truly magnificent snake Very Happy

I used to do alot of shooting as a hobby mainly with handguns and shotguns, but i gave it up because it cost money that could be better used on snakes Laughing

Richard,

special permits are needed to have full auto guns in the US. The one in the pic is a semi auto. Many are easily made fully auto with a spring change but if caught you are looking at federal prosecution, not good! I believe you can buy the grenade launcher but the one in the pic doesn't have one. I enjoy guns and shooting, especially for sport. I do carry but only for safety. You'd be shocked at how many people carry guns in the US and I for sure wouldn't want to be caught without one in the wrong situation. If no one had them I wouldn't have to worry though.

JohnLight wrote:: Richard,

special permits are needed to have full auto guns in the US. The one in the pic is a semi auto. Many are easily made fully auto with a spring change but if caught you are looking at federal prosecution, not good! I believe you can buy the grenade launcher but the one in the pic doesn't have one. I enjoy guns and shooting, especially for sport. I do carry but only for safety. You'd be shocked at how many people carry guns in the US and I for sure wouldn't want to be caught without one in the wrong situation. If no one had them I wouldn't have to worry though.

I know John, but on the otherhand you guys have the freedom to own a gun and obtaining a permit is in your constitutions and is your rigth. In Holland it isn't that easy at all.

Here a picture of me some time ago in a place called TEXAS ;-)

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What a tread ! ...while a moment i thought i was on SW forum !! (i am a member of it Very Happy

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Well to make it short after all that stuff....nice snake and very nice rifle !
In a good and free country (with responsable people) you should have the right to have both of them ! even if it is with licence ... Sad

And i am not a hunter, just a target shooter!
R.

Predrag Ristic wrote:: Snakes are beautiful, but here in the Balkan, only girls use AR15

and the winner is.............Pedrag cheers

send me some of those toys

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