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 Naja atra - Chinese Morphs

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PostSubject: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 15:11

Some morphs from China. Cool

Leucistic
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Albino
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Axanthic or Anerythristic if you prefer.....
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Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Naja_atra_Axanthic_02

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Formosa Phase
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 16:25

Why should the latter be called "Formosa phase"?

These aberrant hood pattern are known from Formosa (Taiwan) specimens along with typical chevron shaped patterns, different body colourations (like your bright colored, brown or black specimens) can also be found there.
Wether hood pattern nor body colour do allow to pick one of these color morphs out and call it "Formosa".
Unfortunately, the name "Formosa phase" or "Formosa morph" already exists and is used for Naja kaouthia specimens with aberrant, atra-like hood pattern.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 16:39

I call it such precisely because its identical the the type of pattern mutation as seen in Naja kaouthia......Since these are WC from mainland China, i guess its safe to assume that they don't occur specifically in Taiwan...

Perhaps u have a better suggestion for such a mutation in Naja atra from mainland China?

Peter Zürcher wrote:
Why should the latter be called "Formosa phase"?

These aberrant hood pattern are known from Formosa (Taiwan) specimens along with typical chevron shaped patterns, different body colourations (like your bright colored, brown or black specimens) can also be found there.
Wether hood pattern nor body colour do allow to pick one of these color morphs out and call it "Formosa".
Unfortunately, the name "Formosa phase" or "Formosa morph" already exists and is used for Naja kaouthia specimens with aberrant, atra-like hood pattern.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 16:48

I would also not refer to is as formosa if it is from mainland china. Although I am at a loss as to what to name it. Either way those are some very nice snakes you have there. Thanks for sharing.

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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 16:59

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that they don't occur specifically in Taiwan...

what's the reason for that name then?

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because its identical the the type of pattern mutation as seen in Naja kaouthia

aha
I hope i've got this right: You call them "Formosa" because a pattern variation of another species is called that way - this has already led to some confusion in the past. What's really the reason for that? More confusion?

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Perhaps u have a better suggestion for such a mutation in Naja atra from mainland China?

Do we really have to label every colour or pattern aberration?

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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 17:10

Surely this is not the first time one of these snakes has popped up?

What else has it been referred to then other than what he is calling it?
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 17:16

Not the first time its popped up and have not seen another name that has been used so why not us "Formosa Phase"? I'd rather have a name for something other than saying "oh the one with funky pattern from mainland China, but u can't call it Formosa Phase because its not from Taiwan but it looks exactly like those Formosa Phase Naja kaouthia".....if i had to say that every time i was referring to that snake i'd need a lot of drinks! drunken

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Surely this is not the first time one of these snakes has popped up?

What else has it been referred to then other than what he is calling it?
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 18 Aug - 17:43

For sure.

Perhaps this is a good place for a few suggestions from members? And the winner gets a pair of the first offspring as a prize :-)
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I now have a all new list of animals I NEED! THANKS haha Great animals.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeSat 21 Aug - 17:02

Whats up with the third picture of that axanthic? Lung inflammation?
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please send me the axanthic one................
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Beautiful atras,

At this photo that scale at the neck is Blister?

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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeWed 1 Sep - 4:20

Yes, its WC.... they have these things.....got abit worse because he kept wetting his cage so now he is drying out and in shed....should be good after the shed.

George Faitatzoglou wrote:
Beautiful atras,

At this photo that scale at the neck is Blister?

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PostSubject: Re: Naja atra - Chinese Morphs   Naja atra - Chinese Morphs Icon_minitimeSun 7 Nov - 4:34

If you breed 100% HET animals, let me know please.

I really like the albino the most, even more than the leucistic one, awesome snake. Are you that lucky that they're all males?

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