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+7Jon Davidson Mario Lutz Cliff Lindberg Sven Foerster Alexandru Strugariu Peter Zürcher Martin Romanov 11 posters |
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Martin Romanov Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 136 Age : 29 Location : Bulgaria Points : 5393 Registration date : 2010-08-02
| Subject: Front or top? Fri 19 Nov - 22:13 | |
| Where do you think a hot terrarium should open from? Front or top? I've been asking different people and some say front others say top. What are your opinions? | |
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Peter Zürcher Admin
Number of posts : 1266 Age : 72 Location : Carinthia, Austria Points : 8318 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Fri 19 Nov - 22:46 | |
| A not well defined question in my opinion. You won't have much fun with a 2 meter high Dendroaspis cage opening on top *LOL* | |
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Martin Romanov Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 136 Age : 29 Location : Bulgaria Points : 5393 Registration date : 2010-08-02
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Fri 19 Nov - 23:12 | |
| - Peter Zürcher wrote:
- A not well defined question in my opinion. You won't have much fun with a 2 meter high Dendroaspis cage opening on top *LOL*
Good point O.k. The question won't include the exceptions (big snakes that need very high terrariums) | |
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Alexandru Strugariu Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 99 Age : 37 Location : Romania Points : 5265 Registration date : 2010-11-13
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Fri 19 Nov - 23:19 | |
| Hi,
I would say front due to two main reasons which come to mind at this moment:
1. Practicality: if you have front opening cages, you could stack as many as you want on top of each-other...
2. I think any snake would react better to facing you on a similar level than it would if you were standing up on top if it like most of its natural predators...
Except for my plastic cages (ferplast) where I keep my baby snakes, I only have front opening terrariums and have been working like that for many years... I think it's much easier to feed snakes from the front, to take them out of the cage, etc... | |
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Martin Romanov Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 136 Age : 29 Location : Bulgaria Points : 5393 Registration date : 2010-08-02
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 0:09 | |
| I read somewhere that upward strikes are not as accurate as forward strikes. Is this true? I hope you understand me | |
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Alexandru Strugariu Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 99 Age : 37 Location : Romania Points : 5265 Registration date : 2010-11-13
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 0:18 | |
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- I read somewhere that upward strikes are not as accurate as forward strikes. Is this true? I hope you understand me
I'm not sure about this but I'd say that the probability of a snake trying to strike is greater when you're standing on top of it | |
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Sven Foerster Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 41 Age : 36 Location : Germany Points : 5546 Registration date : 2009-11-05
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 0:47 | |
| Because predetors in the normal habitat attack often from the top, I think the snakes are more calm when you take them from the front. I keep only small and young snakes in boxes or other enclouseres, that can be open from the top. There it`s more easier to pick them up and you don`t have the problem with openings between the glases. | |
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Cliff Lindberg Newbie
Number of posts : 26 Age : 61 Location : USA Points : 5165 Registration date : 2010-11-05
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 2:39 | |
| Front.
Top opening cages are difficult to organize and the snakes seem more difficult to hook and control. | |
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Mario Lutz Lord of the Serpents
Number of posts : 1416 Age : 56 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines Points : 8389 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 8:28 | |
| all my cages have openings from the front, for very good reasons. i can see the animals better and it is just a better handling for me...
it might be different if you have only like 10 snakes, but let me tell you, if you got to deal with hundreds, than it needs to be practical, and to me the front openings are better. doesn matter where the snake like to strike... | |
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Jon Davidson Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 512 Age : 69 Location : Toronto area, Canada Points : 6319 Registration date : 2009-02-28
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sat 20 Nov - 9:41 | |
| I keep my live venomous specimens in top opening cages; specifically, glass aquariums with weighted screen tops, which I prefer to be about 30 to 36 inches off the ground. This allows for good visibility, so that specimens can be seen readily and it allows me a minute or so to think about what I'm doing as I'm removing the weights and screen lid before intruding into the snake's cage. Also, this arrangement allows me to stand directly above a live venomous specimen rather than in front of it and that, in turn, allows me to maneuver my hook so that a snake can be picked vertically rather than using the hook to pull a snake towards me. My experience has shown that it is much harder for a snake to strike upwards accurately as opposed to striking out horizontally. Back in my day, if one of my mentors ever saw me pulling a venomous snake towards me with a hook- let alone keeping a live specimen in a front opening cage- I would've been cautioned about the dangers of a specimen bracing itself against the back or side of the cage or some other structure in the cage or using the substrate to gain enough purchase so that it could launch itself forward in a strike that exceeds what would be normally possible if it were in an unconfined, open space. To each their own, of course. I only know how to keep and handle snakes the way I've always kept and handled snakes. Sincerely, Jon Davidson . | |
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April Mandel Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 128 Age : 74 Location : Eastern USA Points : 5131 Registration date : 2011-04-23
| Subject: Front or Top? Wed 4 May - 7:14 | |
| I prefer a top opening cage for most snakes. That being said, enclosures for fast moving, large and potentially dangerous species such as Dendroaspis I've always maintained in large, front opening enclosures with provision for a shift box to be mounted on the side.
I've always had safety as my priority, and being able to securely isolate the snake without having to physically interact with it has maintained a great margin of safety for me while reducing stress to the snake. Smaller specimens can be handled in a straight forward manner with a hook from the top, but for a large Gold's Tree Cobra, for example, a shift box is the safest way to maintain it.
Getting a snake into a shift box can be accomplished with a trick an old time reptile keeper taught me- he would light a cigarette, and blow a puff of smoke through a ventilation hole! The smell of the smoke would drive the snake into the box, as it looks for a safe place to hide! | |
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Peter Schulze Niehoff Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 203 Age : 53 Location : near Münster, NRW, Germany Points : 6315 Registration date : 2008-06-30
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Wed 4 May - 14:46 | |
| - April Mandel wrote:
- Getting a snake into a shift box can be accomplished with a trick an old time reptile keeper taught me- he would light a cigarette, and blow a puff of smoke through a ventilation hole! The smell of the smoke would drive the snake into the box, as it looks for a safe place to hide!
Damn, I stopped smoking about ten years ago ... | |
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Greg Spencer Newbie
Number of posts : 36 Age : 54 Location : ca, usa Points : 5085 Registration date : 2011-01-24
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Fri 20 May - 13:20 | |
| I use both... I prefer front opening for stacking, etc. but I also prefer top opening for the ease of hooking or sometimes grabbing (i.e. heloderma). It all really depends on the species, the room set-up, and the handler. If there is a question as to what is best, why not use or try both and then simply determine the answer per situation? All animals are individuals and it is quite possible that you may prefer to use both as well. Best of luck! | |
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Randy Ciuros Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 585 Age : 63 Location : North Florida, USA Points : 6637 Registration date : 2008-03-18
| Subject: Re: Front or top? Sun 22 May - 15:46 | |
| I suppose Rubbermaid containers in racks, would be considered top-opening. I use a lot of them, and the ones that contain venomous, I pull open with a hook, as you can not see exactly where to snake might be.
But I also have about 45 Neodesha front sliding glass cages, from 2 feet long to 6 feet long, and they are great cages for Cobras. Except for 0.1 Bitis g. Rhinoceros, 1.0 P. rossignolli (sold), 1.0 C. adamanteus x atrox cross, all other 100+ snakes are Cobras and King Cobras.
I have kept several species of New Guinea/Iryan Jaya elapids, as well as some E.A. Green and Black Mambas, and I kept them all in the front opening Neodesha or home made cages. | |
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