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 Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??

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Patrick Waffek
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PostSubject: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeSat 18 Dec - 0:36

Do you think this female is pregnant? I hope so.

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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeSat 18 Dec - 3:19

Hi Patrick,

I would say yes, definately. She looks exactly the same as both my female Naja kaouthia did last year when gravid. I see she is also lying with the back half of her body under the heat source, another positive sign!

cheers,

Tom
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Wish you a lot of healthy babies.

Regards, BKK
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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeSun 19 Dec - 5:26

Hi Patrick,

Have you tried palpating her ventral side ? I've never seen a gravid Elapid but in Colubrids, in advanced pregnancy, if you just tail a snake and look at it, the individual eggs should be quite clear on her ventral side and you don't even have to palpate...

Anyway, I hope she is pregnant and I hope you have a nice healthy clutch and babies !
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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeWed 22 Dec - 3:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=hciGjWY-z10
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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeThu 23 Dec - 21:53

Patrick Waffek wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=hciGjWY-z10

Nice footage of really nice individual. Wish you best of luck with her!

/M
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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeMon 3 Jan - 0:58

Ok. she was pregnant.
I got home from work last night and look what i found....

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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeMon 3 Jan - 1:46

Very nice Patrick.
Congratulations !!
Good luck with the incubation
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[quote="Patrick Waffek"]Ok. she was pregnant.
I got home from work last night and look what i found....

Ha Ha, sure they aren't white droppings!

Congrats, mum is stunning, how many eggs? first clutch for her?
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Congrats on those eggs!!

How many were there in total?
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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeWed 5 Jan - 14:27

Hey guys.
Yes it was her first clutch. She layed 24 eggs in total.
19 good and 5 slugs.
Now waiting till the end of february...
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Good luck!!!! Thats wonderful:)
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congratulations¡¡¡¡¡ bounce
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Congrats! Good luck with them!
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Really nice. Stunning mum.

Best of luck with the incubation.

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The first baby kaouthias hatched today. Nice little pinkies.

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well - congrats, Patrick!

very short incubation period - 48 days (or actually 1 - 2 days less if we take in account that they remain a while in their shells after cutting off) - is that right?
What temperatures did you use?
Very interesting - i never managed to get Najas out before 63 - 65 days....as you wrote you'd have to wait until the end of February - i even would have expended that to the beginning of March.

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PostSubject: Re: Naja kaouthia - pregnant ??   Naja kaouthia - pregnant ?? Icon_minitimeSat 19 Feb - 3:15

Hello Peter,

this was the first time i incubate kouthia eggs, so i looked at the schedule from the book of Günther Köhler - "Inkubation von Reptilieneiern", which says 48-56 days with temeratures at 29-30 degrees celsius.
But my main projects is to breed reticulated pythons so i put the eggs into the incubator for my retic eggs, which is at 30-32 degree celsius.
In periods of some days i looked at the eggs and they seem to be good. So I thought this must be the right parameters for incubation.
Now i know it´s ok.

Thanks Peter.

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Nice! Congrats Patrick!
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Great work Patrick, i am expecting eggs from one of my females any day now.

Peter Zürcher wrote:
well - congrats, Patrick!

very short incubation period - 48 days (or actually 1 - 2 days less if we take in account that they remain a while in their shells after cutting off) - is that right?
What temperatures did you use?
Very interesting - i never managed to get Najas out before 63 - 65 days....as you wrote you'd have to wait until the end of February - i even would have expended that to the beginning of March.

Last year my 2 Naja kaouthia clutches started hatching out at 47 days and 50 days. These were also incubated at 29-30C
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realy nice mate good luck with razing them upp..
gr jorg
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congrats Patrick!!!!
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Congrats Patrick,

Good looking hatchlings. My first clutch of kaouthia this year have only been incubating for 20 days, so I have a while to go.

Peter Z: Last year my 2 clutches of kaouthia hatched out in 64 and 65 days, as you stated is your experience, and I incubated at 26.6 - 27.2 C.

Randy
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Very nice ! congratz !
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That is great brother! The one looks to have some abberant markings? My clutch was laid a day before yours I have been incubating around 28.8c - 30.0c I am expecting some pipping in the next week or so. I have my fingers crossed for a good success rate with the 13 eggs in there now. Congrats with a great clutch!
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