| Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 | |
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| Some more vipers have been born. This year is starting to get really crazy. Not surprised that so many have given birth but it has been far bigger litters then i expected. ![Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Web](https://2img.net/h/gallery.me.com/daniel.claesson/100238/IMG_0264/web.jpg) ![Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Web](https://2img.net/h/gallery.me.com/daniel.claesson/100238/IMG_0270/web.jpg) They where crawling everywhere in the cage ![Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Web](https://2img.net/h/gallery.me.com/daniel.claesson/100238/IMG_0271/web.jpg) 11 babies in total from one female and sex ratio is 6.5 (Not all are in the last pict). ![Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Web](https://2img.net/h/gallery.me.com/daniel.claesson/100238/IMG_0274/web.jpg) Regards Daniel | |
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Ro vd Bergh Snakemaster
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![Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: Vipera latastei gaditana born 27/7 -2011 Fri 29 Jul - 19:12 | |
| Congrats! I love this Vipera sp, real lookers.
Cheers, Ro. | |
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Daniel Claesson Snakemaster
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| @Ro: Thanks, yes i couldn't agree more. Nice attitude to Regards Daniel | |
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| Offspring is always the crown on our hobby... Congratulations, mate... | |
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| Nice little buggers! Do you remember how many days before giving birth the mother shed? | |
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Daniel Claesson Snakemaster
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| - Sigurd Wackstrom wrote:
- Nice little buggers! Do you remember how many days before giving birth the mother shed?
Last shed was on 12/5 and she gave birth 27/7 so that is 76 days if i have count it right. Regards Daniel | |
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Nigel Sowter Snakemaster
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| Very nice Mr Claesson, any problems getting them feeding? | |
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| @Nigel: No i have never had any feeding problems with Vipera or Montivipera babies. If you give them much heat and a humid place they all will have started to eat by them self with in 3 weeks.
Or at least that has always worked a 100% for me.
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| Congratulations Daniel! I've bred them regularly in the past and some babies were reluctant to start feeding. Some clutches were easy, other took some time. Same with Montivipera's. Some localities are specialized in an other foodsource then rodents, and those can be a bit harder as well. Good to hear yours are good starters!
Good luck with these little beauties.
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| @jean-henri: Thnx mate, this year is really good. I found some more vipers yesterday, se thread in Montivipera section @Harold: Thnx. Yes, i have some friends that also breed Vipera sp. and Montivipera sp. that almost always have trouble to get their offspring started. They always tell me that i have it to easy and need to feel how it should be for a viper breeder Regards Daniel | |
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| Great looking babies. Congrats and thanks for sharing. | |
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| Daniel:
Congrats man !! very nice babies...
I have many questions:
How long is the adult female?, how old is she??
Thx for your time.
Greetings from Perú
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| @Walter: the female is a big girl. She is about 65-70cm and +6 years.
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| Daniel:
Thx for your response.
Is the first birth?, what time is ideal for reproduction? (female: 3 years??).
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| Yes it was this females first litter and at a age of 3 years i think is the time to first breed vipers.
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| Daniel:
do you have more pics of babies??
what temperture and humity, do you use for them?
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| @Walter: No not at the moment. For temps i have about 25 degrees celsius at the cool side and about 40 degrees celsius right under the hotspot. At night it drops to about 18-20 degrees celsius on late spring and summer. Winter and autumn it is a couple degrees colder at night. I spray them down 3 times a week and they often starts to drink then. I keep a waterbowl inside the cage that i have never seen them use. Humidity is the same as the room about 55-60% when they are "unsprayed" Regards Daniel | |
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| Daniel:
Thx for the information..
In this time, the babies eat very well?
Very nice snakes...
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| Hi Daniel thanks to answer!
Cool i m glad to hear that from you ! Maybe in the future is possible to me to buy some of these to you ( If that will ever be on sale!!) I m volunteer in a research project at university. It implies collecting several organisms with some degree of venoumous capabilities, since fish, scorpions, salamanders to snakes. The only snakes ones we re interested are Macroprotodon cucullatus, Mlpodon monspessulanus amd Vipera latastei. There is also Vipera seoanei but this is much more scarce and localized than the previous, besides is a little beyond our "routine" geographic range, seoanei is in west - northern portugal , and we are in the south near Lisbon. Last week we had the last field search for snakes this year, now just for March we ll begin again. The purpose is collecting in situ the venoum ( to vipers) and in laboratory to the other two cause its more complicated and they are released soon at the same place were they were retrieved. I have never saw a lataste in these short expeditions. The only live latastei i ever saw was when i was about 10 years ago , but i remember very well a great beautiful adult, the zig zags stripes and the bluish shades. These bluish colors almost a metalic blue ( probably because the sun reflections ) was something that is craved in my memory , i saw lots of photos in the net and the closest i ever found was some pictures identified as the subspecies latastei gaditana.
Here in Portugal unfortunately these vipers are becoming further scarce otherwise ignorant people seems to thrive, the average person will not hesitate to kill it if they cross their way. Many are hunted cut the heads to sold as talismans, so you can imagine the poverty of the medieval mentality that endures around here! Hope you continue to breed it successfully, congratilations again for these beautiful baby vipers? Just two questions! What is their captivity average lifespan? What is the price they are sold ? And i supose is seldom sold!!
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| - João Moura wrote:
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Yes if i will have any for sale when i visit Hamm or Houten you can by some. I will have a advertisement when that time comes. It is sad to hear about such behaviors, but it is the same here in Sweden. Maybe not that much but it still happens. One would think that the modern man of today would know better Regards Daniel | |
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