Vipera aspis aspis

Today it´s done. My first hot are moved in. Just a few pictures I take after they moved in. Better pictures will follow.

Vipera aspis aspis CB 10

male

Vipera aspis aspis Crw5536800

female

Congratulations Tanja to your new addition, nice looking Aspis. Good luck with them!

congrats to Tanja existence, you are nicest as your aspis :lol Laughing

Well done Tanja, you have picked a great snake to start off with. Good luck with these.
Cheers,
Brian.

Wow, I´m surprised. The male don´t care to hide, he shows himself a lot of times around the sunspot. The female only is hide most of time.

Vipera aspis aspis Crw5556800

Snakes are coming under hide spot only if they need: pregnancy, digestion, change the skin. Maybe your male need less of heat thant his female.
Vipera aspis zinnikeri ? from which locality ?

aspis aspis. Locality is france. Exact place the breeder don´t know :-(

That with the sunspot is obvious. I´m surprised that he don´t hide after transport, new place and so on. My other ones where hide the first few days after moving in.

the design is typical zinnikerei. Jean-Henri ? When you buy a snike, it's important to know the exact locality.

Nice aspis.

You are gooing to have much fun careing for these. Vipera sp. is very interesting snakes.

/D

I hope so. But I love them already. He is nearly always on his way, she is more hidden but come out early afternoon. He is almost a bit nosey.

Vipera aspis aspis 1

wow! nice aspis. I like your little orange female Wink

Tanja, Sweet Animals !! I just got my first Vipera aspis aspis this year......... LOVE THEM !!! Good Luck with them and keep us posted !! bounce

Thanks. I like both. I could not decide with one I like more. So I take both. I like the almost red female and I like the contrast of the black/grey of the male

somebody can confirm or not about zinnikeri ?

This aspis looks more like aspis aspis to me...in my opinion looks a zinnikerei like these...

Vipera aspis aspis Zin4

And to compare aspis aspis from france

Vipera aspis aspis Aspis2

So my guess is the animals from the TS are V. aspis aspis

Andre thanks for your opinion. I thought the same. But you have seen a lot more of aspis than I so your opinion is more worth than my.

pierre-yves vaucher wrote:: somebody can confirm or not about zinnikeri ?

What do not you convinced?

the stripes on the back, and some color... I sent a mail to Philippe Geniez.

In fact the line is amazing. I could still see different Vipera aspis atra (I know that many do not recognize more ... Laughing

) in Switzerland, with a clear line on the back.

For example, this is a Female met her last year

Vipera aspis aspis Dsc_8512

The speech is still interesting. Expect other opinions and observations and see what it says Mr. Geniez.

Pierre-Yves, the male look like more zinnikeri, but we can't be sure, cause we don't know the locality.....the female is definitively aspis aspis......

Greg: the last picture is absolutly awsome ! A very beautifull snake! Very Happy

JHP = I agree

I contact the breeder. Perhaps he want to tell something here on board. We will see.

The answer of Philippe Geniez is clear:
"yes absolutely [is it a male zinnikeri?], but are you sure it's a male? Where is it ?????? I would like that in the Aquitaine coast is! but also perhaps of Spain."

The answer of the breeder is: that both animals have the same mother.

So it is unlikely that one mother produce animals with different subspecies in one litter. When you are sure that the female is aspis apsis and the male aspis zinnikeri then how this is to explain?

I trust the breeder and I bet some of you will know him also. So I don´t think he was selling wrong declared animals. I think he even don´t have aspis zinnikeri (I don´t see them while I was at his place).

Perhaps it is just a variation?

I don´t know. But I know that I like these animals and I´m happy to bought them both

for me, it's just a nice couple of aspis aspis..... I see no problem for this identification. Wink

best regards

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