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+11Markus Gottlieb Rob Deans Simon Ball Jan Jonkman Peter van Issem Danny Breetveld Johannes Marchand Jon Davidson Andre Schmid Stefan Anthonijsz Chris Fleming 15 posters |
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Chris Fleming Newbie
Number of posts : 15 Age : 40 Location : Greenville, NC, USA Points : 4906 Registration date : 2011-07-14
| Subject: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Wed 10 Aug - 22:07 | |
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See this story. He let two venomous snakes bite his daughter b/c he had them "devenomated".........really..........really. This is the same guy that started his own scientific journal so he could rename a bunch of venomous species.
I believe the crappy parent of the year goes to.........this guy.
This REALLY gets my blood boiling! Why did he have to involve another person let alone a child and his daughter.......
http://www.news.com.au/national/hand...-1226112025389
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Quote: A SNAKE handler has been slammed after letting normally deadly snakes bite his 10-year-old daughter to prove they are de-venomised and safe.
Man allows snakes to bite his daughter’s arm to prove they’re not venomous. Vision- Raymond Hoser snake bite demonstration.
"Snakeman" Raymond Hoser allowed a taipan and a death adder to bite his daughter while a shopping centre audience watched on, the Herald Sun reported.
The handler, 49, said the video proved that despite being convicted of breaching his Commercial Wildlife Demonstrator Licence, there was never any risk.
He was fined $12,000 in the County Court last week for demonstrating with venomous snakes less than three metres from the public, working in accessible pits and demonstrating in a way that put the animals at risk of theft in 2008 and 2009.
He said the July video demonstration, which left his daughter with bleeding puncture wounds in her forearm, had proved his snakes were not venomous.
"She was only bleeding and if they'd been venomous she'd have been dead in two minutes," Hoser said.
"If I'm confident to do that to her, it shows you I have never used a snake with venom."
Hoser, of Park Orchards, is the director of reptile education company Snakebusters.
Australian Childhood Foundation chief executive Joe Tucci said children should never be put through an ordeal to prove a point.
Really?! How stupid can you be. This is the kind of actions that wil have our hobby banned. I am just at a loss of words. | |
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Stefan Anthonijsz Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 556 Age : 37 Location : the Netherlands Points : 6323 Registration date : 2009-09-29
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Wed 10 Aug - 23:00 | |
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Andre Schmid Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 195 Age : 39 Location : germany Points : 5792 Registration date : 2009-09-20
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 1:08 | |
| I dont like this person and his whole "de-venomised " shit ! | |
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Jon Davidson Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 512 Age : 69 Location : Toronto area, Canada Points : 6319 Registration date : 2009-02-28
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 1:48 | |
| The link doesn't work('Page not found'), which is probably just as well... Looking on the positive side of this(if that's possible), media coverage of Mr. Hoser's activities and perspectives are a 'good' thing in that it exposes him for the charlatan that he is. How disgraceful that he would use a child to promote his personal agenda. Sincerely, Jon Davidson . | |
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Johannes Marchand Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 183 Age : 42 Location : France Points : 5291 Registration date : 2011-02-14
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 2:47 | |
| http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/handler-raymond-hoser-let-snakes-bite-his-daughter/story-e6frg12c-1226112097803
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Danny Breetveld Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 71 Age : 40 Location : Rotterdam Netherlands Points : 5230 Registration date : 2010-11-10
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 3:17 | |
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Peter van Issem Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 707 Age : 57 Location : GERMANY Points : 6572 Registration date : 2009-03-08
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 3:20 | |
| Idiot it not enought! To do such with a child , shows us that he is a very very poor man... | |
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Chris Fleming Newbie
Number of posts : 15 Age : 40 Location : Greenville, NC, USA Points : 4906 Registration date : 2011-07-14
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 5:46 | |
| Thanks for putting up a new link. Did not realize the one I posted wasnt working.
Is he still a member here? If so, maybe he shouldnt be anymore. | |
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Jan Jonkman Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 153 Age : 40 Location : The Netherlands Points : 5319 Registration date : 2010-10-28
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 5:59 | |
| Speechless...
What an utter and complete idiot.. | |
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Simon Ball Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 110 Age : 68 Location : Perth, Western Australia Points : 5276 Registration date : 2010-11-17
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 17:31 | |
| Please let me say that this behaviour is NOT typical of Australian reptile keepers. All of those I know consider this to be a disgraceful act which will only cause the general public to tend to think badly about reptile keepers. We don't need this sort of thing. | |
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Rob Deans Snakemaster
Number of posts : 322 Age : 43 Location : South Africa Points : 6356 Registration date : 2008-04-24
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 17:40 | |
| At least he can't possibly argue his way out of this the way he does with his venomoiding. This is just crazy! That poor little girl. | |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster
Number of posts : 262 Age : 34 Location : Upper Austria Points : 6183 Registration date : 2008-08-11
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 11 Aug - 18:24 | |
| I didn't care much about Hoser and his "work", but that move now is just......not what i would consider acceptable. .....insane in my opinion best regards hope u all are well, long time no visit here | |
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Wayne Ashford Newbie
Number of posts : 7 Age : 51 Location : devon uk. Points : 4901 Registration date : 2011-07-06
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Fri 12 Aug - 3:46 | |
| the word no brain cells springs to mind,and the point of this display is ?,i will tell you how to be a plank. | |
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Johann Prescher Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 81 Age : 37 Location : NLD Points : 5103 Registration date : 2011-02-23
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Fri 12 Aug - 3:55 | |
| What a loser, not even worth to shit on. | |
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Guenter Leitenbauer Lord of the Serpents
Number of posts : 1389 Age : 59 Location : Gunskirchen / Austria Points : 7324 Registration date : 2008-05-17
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Fri 12 Aug - 6:12 | |
| I wrote in another thread here that one can wait until he would be lawsuited and fined for his crazy actions. He replied ironically that many had tried this and that he would never be found guilty for anything like that. If the story would not be that a bad reputation for all snakekeepers who might laugh now?
So now he should be renamed in Raymond Loser, I guess ... | |
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Paul Rowley Systematicus
Number of posts : 70 Age : 61 Location : Liverpool, UK Points : 5869 Registration date : 2009-02-16
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Fri 12 Aug - 22:06 | |
| - Simon Ball wrote:
- Please let me say that this behaviour is NOT typical of Australian reptile keepers. All of those I know consider this to be a disgraceful act which will only cause the general public to tend to think badly about reptile keepers. We don't need this sort of thing.
Don't worry, the rest of the world does not judge Australia on the actions of one bad apple.......... there are some well respected "snake men" in your country! | |
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Jan Jonkman Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 153 Age : 40 Location : The Netherlands Points : 5319 Registration date : 2010-10-28
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 18 Aug - 6:42 | |
| http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/snakeman-has-licence-revoked/story-fn7x8me2-1226116966893 | |
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Jon Davidson Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 512 Age : 69 Location : Toronto area, Canada Points : 6319 Registration date : 2009-02-28
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 18 Aug - 10:49 | |
| - Jan Jonkman wrote:
- http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/snakeman-has-licence-revoked/story-" ... etc.
The photo in this media report says it all for me about who, exactly Mr. Raymond Hoser is as an individual... I would hope that some form of a Child Protection Agency will step in and remove the children from his custody until the matter gets all sorted out in the Justice System. Sincerely, Jon Davidson . | |
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Guenter Leitenbauer Lord of the Serpents
Number of posts : 1389 Age : 59 Location : Gunskirchen / Austria Points : 7324 Registration date : 2008-05-17
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 18 Aug - 15:31 | |
| The point is that people who always step on the edge of the allowed will definitely go a step to far someday. That's a kind of a natural law. He lost the feeling for what is acceptable - if he ever had it. | |
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Stefan Anthonijsz Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 556 Age : 37 Location : the Netherlands Points : 6323 Registration date : 2009-09-29
| Subject: Re: "Snakeman" Very Bad Press Thu 18 Aug - 20:54 | |
| Besides what is going on now... Those inlands on the right side of the picture are gorgeous!!! | |
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