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Clint Guadiana
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| Subject: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma?  Sun 21 Aug - 4:32 | |
| I recently bred a pair of A. p. leucostoma that are het for albino. One of the offspring turned out really light. Link to photo is posted below. Let me know your thoughts.
Clint
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10208648&l=ea2df99d5b&id=742345085
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Mats Jonsson
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 4:41 | |
| Sorry cant see the pic!
need to be friend first!!
reg
Mats | |
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Clint Guadiana
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 4:44 | |
| - Mats Jonsson wrote:
- Sorry cant see the pic!
need to be friend first!!
reg
Mats Sorry about that, try it now and let me know. | |
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Mats Jonsson
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 5:32 | |
| Hi!
the baby piscivourus look like this. I got babies from conanti and they looked exactly like this.
So if I check the markings and coloration this is not a leucostoma its a conanti. anybody else agree or disagree?
Conanti got the 2 very dark brown stripe from the eyes and back and also the 2 brown stripes from the top of the nose all the way down to the cheek.
so I am almost certain this is A p conanti
reg
Mats | |
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Clint Guadiana
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 6:02 | |
| - Mats Jonsson wrote:
- Hi!
the baby piscivourus look like this. I got babies from conanti and they looked exactly like this.
So if I check the markings and coloration this is not a leucostoma its a conanti. anybody else agree or disagree?
Conanti got the 2 very dark brown stripe from the eyes and back and also the 2 brown stripes from the top of the nose all the way down to the cheek.
so I am almost certain this is A p conanti
reg
Mats There was 2 snakes in the litter. The other one looks very different. Its more dull and not as contrasting. Typical of piscivorus. | |
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Mats Jonsson
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 7:06 | |
| can u post a pic of the other one?
reg
Mats | |
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Alexander Nevgloski
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Sun 21 Aug - 21:56 | |
| That is an attractive animals, but I believe it displays normal color. | |
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Clint Guadiana
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Mon 22 Aug - 4:17 | |
| Here is the sib.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150350085535086.398961.742345085&l=cb6df53771&type=1 | |
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Alexander Nevgloski
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Mon 22 Aug - 5:26 | |
| I agree that they look different, could it just be variation within the clutch? A pic with both snakes together would be nice, this way the lighting is the same... etc. | |
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Clint Guadiana
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Mon 22 Aug - 6:25 | |
| - Alexander Nevgloski wrote:
- I agree that they look different, could it just be variation within the clutch? A pic with both snakes together would be nice, this way the lighting is the same... etc.
It could be. The lighting is the same. I took both photos in the exact same place and with the same settings on my camera. I am having a hard time figuring out how to attach photos to my posts on here. Thats why i have been puttting them on Facebook. If anyone could enlighten me it would be appreciated. Thanks, Clint | |
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Alexander Nevgloski
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Mon 22 Aug - 6:38 | |
| I've never posted pics on this forum, but I bet it's possible through Photobucket. | |
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Mats Jonsson
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Mon 22 Aug - 8:00 | |
| Hi I still stay my ground an say this is conanti
reg
Mats | |
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Clifton Peters
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Location : South Alabama, USA
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Registration date : 2011-05-09
| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Tue 23 Aug - 4:03 | |
| Clint, not trying to rain on your parade - but many baby piscivorus have that much color or more. Does not mean it won't be nicely colored as an adult - in a year you'll have a better idea. That's the thing with cottonmouths, the brightest colored babies can turn into average-colored adults. | |
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James Shepherd
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| | Subject: Re: Hypo Agkistrodon piscivorus leucostoma? Fri 2 Sep - 3:09 | |
| i'll have to go with matt on this one looks like a conanti but either way it's just a nice normal neonate i've seen bright one turn to a almost black when they mature. good luck on that albino project i know theres been some problems with the genetic line for a while now. i have some friends working with the leusistics they are incredible. | |
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