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+4Peter van Issem Mike Spencer Bob Herrington Markus Oulehla 8 posters | | Author | Message |
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Markus Oulehla
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| Subject: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;)  Fri 2 Sep - 7:50 | |
| Hello, we took the chance to make some short trips to different habitats in south of carinthia. I really love the scree slopes and those dry landscapes near Villach.    My highlight was definitely the find of Vipera a. ammodytes (" illyrica"), in my opinion the most beautiful variation of V. ammodytes  Female, about 60-70cm    and one little male, about 30cm   In the same area we saw Podarcis muralis  and Lacerta viridis.  There were lots of intereseting invertebrates too, many little wolfspiders, Lithobius forficatus,... ...and one beautiful wasp spider Argiope bruennichi.  We even found some Euscorpius sp. under little rocks on some shady places between the scree slopes.   Then we searched for dice snakes Natrix tessellata near the river "Gail", what is quite easy on some spots.  big female  ...and again lots of lizards.  L. viridis  Further up in the mountains there are many good spots for common adders Vipera berus. I won't bother you with habitat-pic's but I can't get enough of this place      On rainy days we found an alpine salamander Salamndra atra...   ...and one common newt Lissotriton vulgaris (land camouflage).  Hope you enjoy the pics  regards, Markus
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| | | | Bob Herrington
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 9:26 | |
| Nice post, enjoyed seeing the habitat and the animals. | |
| | | | Mike Spencer
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 12:17 | |
| Nice. Love the ammodytes. One of these days I hope to make it to Europe to find and photo some various Vipera sp. | |
| | | | Peter van Issem
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 13:15 | |
| Yes, you are right. The ammodytes from this spot are realy nice. I know this place very well. Much time is gone, i visited the last time! This post remember me, that I has to go there again in the future. A very special place for the southern Carinthia area. And the ammodytes from this place looks very differend to the ammodytes from sorounding areas.
But one question: Is it realy lacerta muralis? Corect me if I´m wrong, is this place not one of the places in Carinthia, where you can find L. horvathi? I´m not an lizzard specialist, but I heare from this years ago. | |
| | | | Guenter Leitenbauer
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 14:45 | |
| Superb Markus!
Stumbled upon some salamanders too at my last visit in carinthia. Lovely animals. | |
| | | | Peter Zürcher
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 16:26 | |
| - Quote :
- But one question: Is it realy lacerta muralis?
Yes, it's Podarcis muralis - look at it's tail - all segments of equal size. regards Peter | |
| | | | Rainer Fesser
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 17:16 | |
| Hello Markus,
thank you for posting this. Beautiful photos of nice landscapes and animals.
@ Peter van Issem: There are Iberolacerta horvathi in Carinthia but not at that place.
Regards,
Rainer | |
| | | | Peter van Issem
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 2 Sep - 21:10 | |
| Thanks @ Rainer and Peter.
Long time ago I was there and maked pictures of some Lizzards, I was not sure if the are muralis or horvathi!
I have now to check my Slides too.
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| | | | Markus Oulehla
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Sun 4 Sep - 23:20 | |
| Thank you guys!
You also see it on the first lizard picture that it is P. muralis, look at the head-scales: frontonasale doesn't touch the rostrale --> P. muralis.
And (i don't mentioned that) the habtitats we visited aren't high enough for Iberolacerta, what I read the occupy areas from 700- 1700 meters above sea level.
regards
Markus
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| | | | Markus Oulehla
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Thu 16 May - 2:42 | |
| At my last visit in carinthia we spent some time at the river Gail. Lots of stones and bushes along the riverbank with some places with low vegetation... The weather was cloudy but sun came trough from time to time. We started in the morning and found 2 little aesculapian snakes, both pretty well-fed.  Then we found the first dice snakes, some in the meadow/bushes...     ...some lay in the sun at the riverbank.  In the meantime we found a big Zamenis, too.  We also saw lots of beautiful green lizards, Lacerta viridis   | |
| | | | Markus Oulehla
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Thu 4 Jul - 2:07 | |
| Some pictures from the last days in carinthia. Beside taking pictures at the reptile zoo, we also looked around for snakes in the wild, of course We visited a spot near Villach and within the first minutes in tha habitat we found the first, a few minutes later the second viper! Both (actually all 4 individuals we saw that day) were gravid females.    a darker female, with an orange tail and quite red belly...  We also found some grass snakes...     regards Markus | |
| | | | Markus Oulehla
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Wed 16 Oct - 5:31 | |
| Hi, and again I spent some time in carinthia, a few days in september and last week. Beside the usual visit at Peter Zürchers reptile zoo, we decided to look for Vipera ammodytes again, but wanted to try some different spots. We drove to the area around the Wörthersee. The weather was quite hot, so not the best conditions, but we've been lucky at some shady scree slopes...  Then, in a whole in a concrete block, a nice viper taking a bath  On our next day-trip Peter and I met Rainer Fesser and we had a look at some isolated places in the area of the Lavanttal... A great tour and I really appreciated the "hunt" with two really experienced herpers!    another place  with lots of Mantis religiosa (brown and green)  and another little viper  The last in days in carinthia have been quite cold, with some sunny hours, so we took our chance and had a look in the area around the Wörthersee again... We didn't exept to see many snakes, so we were really suprised to see the first individual after 10 steps away from the car       On the second day we were lucky again... nice female   a big male   and another male  It was a great time, as always in carintha and I'm really looking forward to vistit this spots in spring again enjoy the pictures regards Markus | |
| | | | Finn Sparen
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 18 Oct - 4:01 | |
| I love this post! Nice photos, nice vipers and what looks to be a beautiful country to go herping in
Makes me relly wanna go there in near future! | |
| | | | Rainer Fesser
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| | Subject: Re: Herping in Carinthia, Austria... Update 2013 ;) Fri 18 Oct - 15:26 | |
| Hello Markus,
for me too it was a pleasure being out there with you and Peter.
Your photos are great again and show the beauty of the snakes and the habitat.
Finn: Yes, it is a beautiful country for herping but also for many other activities. If you should ever go to Carynthia, don´t forget to visit Peter Zürcher´s reptile-zoo, that would be a mistake.
Best regards,
Rainer | |
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