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Aias Marinakis
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PostSubject: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeFri 11 Nov - 23:04
Does anyone have for sale or know where i can find? I will be at 10-12-2011 Hamm.

Thank you
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Frank Weinsheimer
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 1:28
Hey Aias,

I think you will have to search for a long time. As far as I know, I´m the only one in Germany (maybe in whole Europe) keeping a Bitis arietans x Bitis gabonica-Hybrid, a male, and it took me nearly 10 years to find one. But if you should be lucky enough to get a female Hybrid, I will be happy to go for a breeding project with you.

Best regards

Frank
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 1:44
Hi guys.

As both species occur widely sympatric, I would guess, they're not able to produce fertile offspring with each other. Any experiences yet with backcrossing your male hybrid-Bitis to at least the one or other parental species, Frank?

Curious

Peter
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Aias Marinakis
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 4:32
Thank you for the quick reply. It should be difficult but i hope not impossible to find one i hope!

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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 6:39
Sorry to say, but I think it is a very stupid idea to hybrid to different species! I can't imagine any reason to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 15:03
Hello

@ Peter: I didn´t try to breed him back to one of the source species and I won´t. It is a nice animal but if he is fertile he has to proof it on a female of his own kind (hopefully females are not sterile). Of course I have some doubts that he is able to produce any juveniles. But Hybrids of F1 Bitis nasicornis x Bitis gabonica have proofed to be fertile, so you never know. I don´t know the fertility of the F2 generation, so probably the line will end there.

@ Tommy: The Hybrid is a wild caught one and no artificial production of a breeder. It does exist in nature and as it looks so amazingly phantastic, I don´t see why I shouldn´t keep it. I don´t want to start a discussion about keeping hybrids, just take a look
at the picture.

Would you say he is a ugly one?

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Frank
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSat 12 Nov - 20:43
Frank: If it's done by "the Nature" you should of course not be blamed for it. What I ment by my somewhat harsh comment (sorry for that) was that I think it's important to keep different species pure when the sources of wild caught animals decrease.
Oh yes, it's a beautiful snake no doubts about that.
Kind Regards,
Tommy
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Aias Marinakis
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSun 13 Nov - 3:15
At this point i would like to say that i am against hybrids too. At least the ones that are produced by humans. The bloodlines of the species must be kept pure if we want to say that we own the "X" or "Y" species. Every breeder should be proud to produce pure animals and work with the animal that he loves. If any hybrid is produce that must be kept separated and only be bred for the purposes of study.

The only reason i would like to keep a bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid is that it is a "natural" one. And i am in love with it!


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Ro vd Bergh
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PostSubject: Re: bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid    bitis arietans x bitis gabonica hybrid Icon_minitimeSun 13 Nov - 3:20
I would breed the animal from Frank with Carsten his arietans X nasicornis. Shocked

Cheers, Ro.
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