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 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip

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PostSubject: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 4:02

I recently returned from my trip out to New Mexico/Arizona where I went herping with my brother, York, and a good internet friend, Paul. Thanks to American Airlines and an unexpected stay in DFW on Friday night, our trip was delayed until midday on Saturday. We headed straight out and hit some talus slopes, but it was getting late and it was really chilly, so we saw nothing. We decided to head back to lower elevation and do some road cruising for the night and our luck picked up.

We saw the usual suspects. First up was a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (Crotalus atrox):
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Then their usual sidekick, the Mojave Rattlesnake (Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus):
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Black-Tail Rattlesnakes (Crotalus molossus molossus) are fairly common here, as well, and we were not disappointed:
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After a satisfying night of road cruising, we camped and prepared for a morning hike the next day. The next day we caught our first ever Arizona Mountain Kingsnake (Lampropeltis pyromelana pyromelana):
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Afterwards, we hit another talus slope in another mountain range and first struck big with Banded Rock Rattlesnakes (Crotalus lepidus klauberi). First, a good-looking juvenile:
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An older animal with some nice banding:
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The last was a favorite with nice pink highlights and some neon green striping on the top:
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We then found an Arizona Ridge-Nosed Rattlesnake (Crotalus willardi willardi):
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Well, actually, it turned out to be a pair under the same rock:
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Again, satisfied with our results for the day, we camped at another location and prepped for another morning hike. We started our hike the next morning and immediately found another Arizona Mountain Kingsnake (L. p. pyromelana) right in the middle of the trail:
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We continued about 5 miles up the mountain and immediately started seeing food for our target species, Yarrow's spiny lizards (Sceloporus jarrovi):
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And then our target species started with a nice neonate. Notice the button and the birth skin still on it. Twin Spot Rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei pricei):
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Number two:
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Number three:
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Number four:
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After our hike back, I for one was glad to rest my blistered feet while we did some road cruising! We had a little luck for the next several hours catching some odds and ends, like this Chuckwalla (Sauromalus ater):
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And another Black-Tail Rattlesnake (C. m. molossus):
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You can never find too many molossus as far as I am concerned:
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And then we hit some more night cruising and found one that York had never seen. Sidewinder (Crotalus cerastes cercobombus):
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I only took one or two photos of the sidewinder because it was small and I figured we would see several of them that night, but we never saw another one. Oh well, we just had to settle for my #1 target species of the trip. Gila Monster (Heloderma suspectum suspectum):
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I think Paul was almost as excited about the next pair as I was to see the gila monster. We found these 40’ apart on the road like someone had laid them out for us. I still don’t know what the big deal is, Paul, we have rat snakes everywhere here in North Carolina if you want to come catch some. Green Rat Snake (Senticolis triaspis intermedia):
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We started wishing aloud for our next species since we were pretty much already naming what we wanted to catch next. “Tiger!” we all said. Tiger Rattlesnake (Crotalus tigris):
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Oh heck, why not be greedy and wish for a pair:
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The trip was coming to an end since my plane left the following day from Albuquerque and we were many hours from my brother’s place. So, the question was should we call it quits and head home to get some decent rest and maybe work on some photos? Or was there maybe one more species we wanted to catch? You only live once! Arizona Black Rattlesnake (Crotalus cerberus):
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So, the trip was over and I was on my way to miss another connection flight due to bad weather and spend another night in DFW! What can I say, Dallas and American Airlines love me!

Here’s the official catch list (21 lifers on it for me!!):

1 Banded Gecko (Coleonyx variegatus bogerti)
6 Mojave Rattlesnakes (Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus)
7 Western Diamonback Rattlesnakes (Crotalus atrox)
3 Black-Tail Rattlesnakes (Crotalus molossus molossus)
1 New Mexico Ridge-Nosed Rattlesnake (Crotalus willardi obscurus)
2 Arizona Mountain Kingsnakes (Lampropeltis pyromelana pyromelana)
2 Sonoran Whipsnakes (Masticophis bilineatus)
3 Banded Rock Rattlesnakes (Crotalus lepidus klauberi)
2 Arizona Ridge-Nosed Rattlesnakes (Crotalus willardi willardi)
4 Twin Spot Rattlesnakes (Crotalus pricei pricei)
1 Western Patchnose Snake (Salvadora hexalepis deserticola)
1 Sidewinder (Crotalus cerastes cercobombus)
1 Regal Horned Lizard (Phrynosoma solare)
1 Gila Monster (Heloderma suspectum suspectum)
1 Longnose Snake (Rhinocheilus lecontei lecontei)
2 Chuckwalla (Sauromalus ater)
2 Speckled Rattlesnakes (Crotalus mitchelli pyrrhus)
2 Green Rat Snakes (Senticolis triaspis intermedia)
2 Tiger Rattlesnakes (Crotalus tigris)
2 Sonoran Gopher Snake (Pituophis catenifer affinis)
1 Arizona Black Rattlesnake (Crotalus cerberus)
1 Blackneck Garter Snake (Thamnophis cyrtopsis cyrtopsis)
1 Lowland Leopard Frog (Rana yavapaiensis)
1 Sonoran mud turtle (Kinosternon sonoriense)
2 Madrean alligator lizards (Elgaria kingii nobilis)
1 Striped Whipsnake (Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus)
TMTC Yarrow's spiny lizards (Sceloporus jarrovi)
TMTC Colorado River toads (Bufo alvarius)

And some more odds and ends photos just in case your computers haven’t fried yet.
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Landscapes:
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Many thanks go to my brother for his hospitality and his hard work preparing for this trip, especially all of the scouting for good herping spots that paid off big time. The same goes to my new brother, Paul, who has herped out there for years and without his expertise we would have had to hunt much harder and dumber. Also, thanks to Matt and Chip for their hospitality and their willingness to offer suggestions for places to hunt specific species. It was certainly a group effort that paid off big time!
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 6:46

Hi Derek

Nice Herp Trip!
Very cool pictures, awesome trip!

Greetings,
Markus
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 7:34

Hi Derek,

great trip, great animals and superb pictures. What more do we want? One last: Please post a photo of the Crotalus willardi obscurus if you have one.
Thanks in advance.

Best wishes

Frank
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Amazing trip, and great diversity in Crotalus there. What kind of range are we talking here?
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 16:33

i am speechless, on time more!


cheers
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and thanks for sharing - i will call you guys and ask permission to join on time on your fieldtrips.
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 17:30

Fantastic report.
Reminds me on my own trips overthere.
Thanks for sharing.
Peter
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 30 Aug - 23:11

Thank you everyone! I would have been happy catching 1/4 of the species that we found, so it was a phenomenal trip.

Frank, I don't want to post those publicly, so check your PM box.

Rob, we started out hunting the mountain ranges in southwestern New Mexico and then headed over into southeastern Arizona hunting adjacent mountain ranges. We found our target montane species so quickly that we migrated west around Tucson and Phoenix and then into the southwestern corner of Arizona chasing species we knew would be tougher to find. Once we found those species, we circled back to southeastern Arizona and started on other species we had no idea we'd have time to hunt for. We're photographers, not collectors, so that's as specific as I care to get with localities.

Mario, no permission needed...the invitation is always there.

Peter, I'd love to see photos from your trips here when you have time to post them.
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This is more than impressing to me!
Congratulations,
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Hi Derek,
Wow! Fantastic trip and some great pics there mate, well done.

Don't forget, you and I have a herping trip booked in the future Very Happy!

All the best old chap,
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeTue 2 Sep - 22:51

Thanks Al! No, I have not forgotten. I'm going to take you up on that one day, so you'd better quit reminding me if you're not serious! Wink

Thanks Guenter.
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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeWed 3 Sep - 6:22

Outstanding photos and a great trip it must've been. A wet dream of a field trip, pretty much... Laughing
So many unbelievable creatures -sigh-
Thanks for sharing.
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Fantastic!
I have to go herping in the US sometime.

It seems like a very succesful trip. Many of the species you saw (willardi, suspectum etc.) is quite hard to find, I´ve heard. Luck can´t explain it all, you must have very good eyes...

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PostSubject: Re: 2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip   2008 Arizona/New Mexico Field Trip Icon_minitimeSat 27 Sep - 20:32

Derek Morgan wrote:
Thanks Al! No, I have not forgotten. I'm going to take you up on that one day, so you'd better quit reminding me if you're not serious! Wink


Eeeello Derek me old mate, of course i'm serious Very Happy Got Ghana in the pipelines , also sri lanka , and many places in Europe I still want to herp
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Beautiful and impressive trip!
Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
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Thanks everyone!

Christian, if you make it back to Arizona let me know. if I can't make it out there, at least my brother can take you out and show you the difficult species. That's what he does every single weekend during herping season. I know you said that was unlikely to happen for you, but.....

Petter, I'm not sure what it was because my brother and a buddy go out herping all the time there and they have never had that kind of luck. Maybe I am a good luck charm? Laughing

Thanks Harold.

Al, it sounds like you have the same problem I do! I now want to go herping everywhere! I have Costa Rica on my radar for next year, I hope. Africa would be my ultimate trip. If I could catch Atheris in the wild I would be in true heaven!
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Great pics man. Glad to see your photos from that trip. I bet I know where pricei two and three came from. Nice photos again and it was great herping with you guys.

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Fantastic findings. That must have been a fantastic trip!

That last molossus is stunning. Great pictures, and thanks for sharing.
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Man, this post REALLY makes me miss living in arizona! I used to find many of these species on a regular basis. I am very jealous of the willardi however. I have looked for them on several occasions and have always been skunked! Very good post! thanks for sharing!

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