A. c. pictigaster

Hello everyone,

I have a question. I have got an pictigaster copperhead and I think it´s a male. But I want your opinion to know.

A. c. pictigaster P8250110

Thank you.

Greetings from Germany

Patrick

Hi its looks like a male the tale is long.

Patrick

I dont tkink that is a pictigaster. Looks to be A.C. contortrix, southern copperhead.

Clark Very Happy

Hello Patrick,
I agree with Clark, that is not a pictigaster, rather a southern copperhead or maybe at some time a pictigaster has been mixed in.

I think you´re right about the sex.

Regards,
Rainer

Hi Patrick,
seems to be a male, but I even think it´s looking more like a Contrix-contrix, maybe it´s a hybrid.
At the moment there ae many hybrids on the market... that´s cruel.
Best regards Kevin

Surely male - but definitely no Trans-Pecos-Copperhead (which in my eyes is the most impressive subspecies of A. contortrix).

Sorry

Peter

Hello Peter,

"Trans-Pecos-Copperhead (which in my eyes is the most impressive subspecies of A. contortrix)." - I absolutely agree!!!
And he is also the copperhead with the highest chance to get a bite from - greedy or in defence.

Hello everyone,

thank you for your help. I bought this one as a pictigaster but the "pictigaster-colour" is missing, isn´t it?

How can I identify which subspecies it is? Or is the only way to ask the offerer?

Greetings

Patrick

Hi
In my opinion this is a very, very difficult situation to find this out.
I would contact the offerer and try to clear the situation.
But if you bought it as an clearly Pictigaster, i would also ask why he did this. He just had to tell you that this male must be an hybrid
Best regards
Kevin
some of this Snake(sellers) have to stay in prison.... that´s cheat!!!!!!!

For Agk. c. contortrix the crossbands should be more narrow on the top of the back.

For me it looks Agk. c. phaeogaster. Are the crossbands connected with the belly markings?

Phaeogaster would have the crossbands outlined in a faint white line, could be a cross.

Clark Very Happy

Definitely not pure pictigaster, although this individual seems to have a little bit of pictigaster or at least laticinctus blood in it. Pretty animal though. Here's a pure pictigaster I caught last month, for reference:

A. c. pictigaster 7663657264_c2f45c4cd5_c

A. c. pictigaster 7663657264_c2f45c4cd5_c

Clark:
I see a thin white line on the photos, hope it's not an illusion. Smile

If I counted good the crossbands are 3-5 scales wide on the top which fits Gloyd and Conant's description for phaeogaster. In laticinctus it should be 6-8 scales, in pictigaster 5-12, in mokasen 3-4, and 2 in contortrix.

It would be interesting to see the belly.

I have seen Osage which fall into the scale count of Southerns and vice versa. I live in a state where both species ore found and know that they interbreed along the line of intergradition. I would say a cross but would like to see a belly photo also.

Clark Very Happy

nice male you have.

Good evening guys,

here are the photos of it´s belly, i hope their good enough:

A. c. pictigaster P8280110

Thank you very much guys!

Patrick

I would say that you have a cross between contortrix, pictigaster and possibialy phaeogaster. Nice animal but not pure subspecies.

Clark Smile

Hello Patrick,

I agree with Clark. But at least you got a copperhead that is partly (genetically) pictigaster, so you haven´t totally been lied to. But I think that won´t comfort you very much.

It looks I need to stand in the line after Clark and Rainer. Smile

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