Macrovipera mauritanica

Here is my pair..........Many thanks to Peter !! Wink

Macrovipera mauritanica Newmauritanicabitis004

Nice snakes yet again Jean-Henri.

Macrovipera sp. is nice, a little more snappy then Vipera and Montivipera. I only keep M.schweizeri (Red) at the moment but i would like to keep M.lebetina lebetina some time.

Regards
Daniel

Yep Daniel and thanks!

I also have some red schweizeri and lebetina turanica and now , mauritanica

Nice, how old are your schweizeri ? My are on their 3rd year and are about 70 cm.

M.l.turanica is nice, is yours very purple/pinkish ? I have a friend that has some turanica that are crazy beautiful. Very food aggressive but otherwise pretty laid back.

I would very much like a thread from you with an overview of your reptileroom. You seem to have all the good stuff ;-) and like me you seems to like Old world vipers from the genus Viper, Montivipera and Macrovipera.

Best Regards
Daniel

Another pair of cracking snakes Jean-henri, I know taxonomy is a touchy subject, but most people put mauritanica and deserti in the genus Daboia, anyway, they are beautiful.
Cheers,
Brian.

@Daniel, yes, i'm a fanatic of vipera, montivipera and macro... Embarassed

like you say.
My schweiz are 3 years old also......But i've some trouble to sex them...not so easy......and i think i have two males and not a pair....(sad)
About turanica, yes, they are very agressive ones (the most i've ever seen), particulary the male.
Promise i will post some pics of me in my snakeroom ! Wink

@Brian, like you say, taxo is delicate subject with these species......
In laws, mauritanica and deserti are in the macrovipera genus, BUT trouble is these species occure an important place in comparison with their morphology who's near like russelli....
(hope you understand), there is a publication/report about that, i will try to find it.
And morphology is not the ultimate think we have to translate....

And Daniel, yes, my turanica are some pinkish ones Wink

I will post some pics early

jean-henri pastore wrote:: @Brian, like you say, taxo is delicate subject with these species......
In laws, mauritanica and deserti are in the macrovipera genus, BUT trouble is these species occure an important place in comparison with their morphology who's near like russelli....
(hope you understand), there is a publication/report about that, i will try to find it.
And morphology is not the ultimate think we have to translate....

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "in laws" they are Macrovipera? The phylogenetic analyses that have been done place them in Daboia, not Macrovipera. Of course future work may disprove that hypothesis, as always in science, but at the moment, the scientific evidence favours placing it into Daboia

Nice snakes indeed i was about to buy them too but i already have 1.2 who are 4 years old.
Macrovipera is probably my favourite genus because of their many variants and slightly prehistoric feel.
They grow really fast too, my 1,2 -1,4 meter Mauretanicas both exceed 6 kg and both are small individuals and my turanicas (who i have seen courting and the males have been in ritual combat this year) will probably exceed 6 kg in a year or two.
Mina are actually pretty docile as long as there isnt food around but on a bad scale they they make even the largest Crotalus and Bitis appear like nothing more than a flab of soft fat Very Happy

Wolfgang Wüster wrote:

jean-henri pastore wrote:: @Brian, like you say, taxo is delicate subject with these species......
In laws, mauritanica and deserti are in the macrovipera genus, BUT trouble is these species occure an important place in comparison with their morphology who's near like russelli....
(hope you understand), there is a publication/report about that, i will try to find it.
And morphology is not the ultimate think we have to translate....

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "in laws" they are Macrovipera? The phylogenetic analyses that have been done place them in Daboia, not Macrovipera. Of course future work may disprove that hypothesis, as always in science, but at the moment, the scientific evidence favours placing it into Daboia

Sorry Wolfgang, i would say by "laws", on the reptile database. Wink

But i just see you and Al class this species in Daboia genus until 2008.

I have usually found the reptile database quite out of date, the classification at the moment is:
Daboia mauritanica, Moorish Viper
Daboia deserti, Desert Viper
Macrovipera lebitina lebitina, Blunt-nosed Viper
Macrovipera lebitina obtusa, Blunt-nosed Viper
Macrovipera lebitina cernovi, Blunt-nosed Viper
Macrovipera lebitina turanica, Blunt-nosed Viper
Macrovipera schweizeri, Milos Viper.
As Dr. Wuster said, this may change in the future.
Cheers,
Brian.

Here is a picture of another color morph of mauritanica.
I bred with them in 2009 but since then i got only slugs.
My adults are 130-140cm and CB2007

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