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PostSubject: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 4:57

I want to identify an echis subspecies, but I don't know how to post an image on the forum. I've tried using the above icons, but none of it works. I'm sure it's easy when you know how, but it's so user unfriendly! Please help.

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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 14:46

Hello Peter,

I already posted the following in another subject 'Naja kaouthia bite' ...

'concerning the pictures ... while you're editing your post, [left picture icon] host image, copy the image URL (last line), use [right picture icon] to place the image by using its URL.'

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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 17:29

Many thanks. I'll give it a go.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 18:42

No, that doesn't work either. It just returns me to the "upload your image" screen. To be honest, I've never known such an awkward forum to post images as this one. There must be a simple way of doing it, but I can't find it and the forum provides no help whatsoever. I give up.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 19:12

Echis identification requested Dsc_0911

just sent a test picture - works quite well and easy, as usual.

Go to "host an image"
click Durchsuchen/search
open the picture
click send
copy the link (last one of three)
put the link in your message and send

Peter, if it still doesn't work, send me your picture(s) by e-mail (info@reptilienzoonockalm.at), write your posting and i will add your picture(s).
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 19:33

Thanks Peter, but that's what I've been doing without any luck. I'll try one more thing.

No, that doesn't work either. As I said, I give up. Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 19:50

Can't believe it - our members are posting thousands of pictures, and reports about misfunctions are very, very rare...

one more tip: i never use the copy button on the upload image screen, that has been failed in some cases, use your mouse to mark and copy the link....

Don't give up, we'll get it...and your identification request could be very interesting...

Thanks for the picture, Peter, it's uploaded now - took me 10 seconds - curious indeed...

and i changed the topic title hoping to get more response this way....
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 20:05

Thanks for your help Peter.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 20:21

I tried again and failed.
The snake is from India and appears to be either echis carinatus carinatus or echis carinatus sochureki, but which I'm not sure. Any help appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 20:38

looks like the darker and smaller southern Indian form of E. carinatus carinatus to me
but I'm no expert I suggest you contact either Catharine Wüster, Wolfgang Wüster or Paul Rowley regarding Echis

regards Tim Hallam.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 20:51

Thank you Tim. I'm leaning heavily towards echis carinatus carinatus also, but I'm no echis expert.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 20:53

oh yes and I forgot to say - can I have it? bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 21:18

Tim Hallam wrote:
oh yes and I forgot to say - can I have it? bounce

Sorry, it's spoken for!
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeFri 14 Sep - 22:00

Seriously though Peter I'd be interested to know what the fate of this animal is it's a very rare specimen outside of India and desirable I hope it ends up somewhere deserving.

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PostSubject: Echis identification.   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 1:29

Can I bring your attention to the thread on echis identification under the above sub-forum heading "What is that? / Identification requests" please. Confirmation of E. carinatus carinatus or E. carinatus sochureki would be appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 3:06

Peter Kane wrote:
Can I bring your attention to the thread on echis identification under the above sub-forum heading "What is that? / Identification requests" please. Confirmation of E. carinatus carinatus or E. carinatus sochureki would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter.
Peter, it's impossible to tell from one photograph. There are only a few subtle differences that separate the whole of the former carinatus group. You will need to know its original locality at the very least. He book " True Vipers" by Mallow/ Ludwig/ Nilson, has some very good information on the subject.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 9:01

Unfortunately, I only know it is from India and I'm unable to upload another photo for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 13:26

Peter Zürcher wrote:


Peter, if it still doesn't work, send me your picture(s) by e-mail (info@reptilienzoonockalm.at), write your posting and i will add your picture(s).
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... Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 13:42

Peter Zürcher wrote:


'Don't give up, we'll get it...and your identification request could be very interesting...

Thanks for the picture, Peter, ...'
My thoughts, exactly. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 17:08

I've emailed Peter the only other photo I have at the moment and asked that he might post it on my behalf.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSat 15 Sep - 17:21

and here it is - posted as link because of copy rights (Sun newspaper)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4523054/Gran-Kath-Forster-picked-up-deadly-saw-scaled-viper-in-garden.html
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSun 16 Sep - 19:56

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i would say its a E. carinatus sochureki
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSun 16 Sep - 20:23

[quote="Roger Sharp"]Echis identification requested Photo10

i would say its a E. carinatus sochureki [/quote
It's impossible to tell from this photograph as colour alone cannot be relied upon. After reading the information that I have, it is most likely carinatus or possibly multisquamatus. Based on where the shipment came from. The OP said that it originated from India. Sochureki come from Pakistan. More detailed photographs, especially the head scales are needed for a definate I.D. Wolfgang Wuster or Paul Rowley will be able to help for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeSun 16 Sep - 20:25

Hi Mark i did send a pic to Paul Rowley and he said it was E. carinatus sochureki i also sent one to Wolfgang but got no reply.
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PostSubject: Re: Echis identification requested   Echis identification requested Icon_minitimeMon 17 Sep - 22:59

Peter Zürcher wrote:
and here it is - posted as link because of copy rights (Sun newspaper)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4523054/Gran-Kath-Forster-picked-up-deadly-saw-scaled-viper-in-garden.html
Peter I think there is confusion developing here, there are two Indian Echis in the UK both arriving in stone shipments the newspaper article you posted refers to the animal Roger Sharp has not the animal Peter Kane has one was discovered in Derbyshire in the Midlands and the other in the south east

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