Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures)

Tropidolaemus is an poorly understood family of asian Viperids.

as we only begin to understand their systematics, i also been always very interested on their biology and husbandry.
some authors still believe Tropidolaemus cant be kept successfully in captivity. thats not true at all - if someone understands this animals and offer them the care they need, i find Tropidolaemus are an hardly animal, who even breeds successful in captive care.

i kept hundreds of different Tropidolaemus over the years and been lucky to breed them many times in captivity.

our latest Offspring is from the still yet to described Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan Island, Philippines.

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid10

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid10

Tropidolaemus sp., Palawan - the Mama

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid11

clutch number 1

some close ups of the babies - watch the color difference between the juvenile and the adults

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid12

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid12

Tropidolaemus sp., Palawan - female,

Tropidolaemus sp. from Palawan, Babies! (Pictures) Tropid13

Tropidolaemus sp., Palawan - male,

cheers
Mario

Mario this is the reason who make me to Visit you as soon as possible.Yes I agree with you Tropidolaemus is Hard animals..but this depend from the place of where is the author of the animal,Is difference to live in Greece or Germany,and different to live in Philippines.You have not to ''play'' with condition's like the weather,you have to ''play'' only with feeding and watering rules.I hope some day to be possible to maintain also I in my collection few from the animals that you have there in your park.My best wishes for a lot of and good Births.Continue the Hard and good work
Regards
Vangelis

No Vangelis, I see it completly different.

I think it´s much more easier here in Germany or "Greece" to work with this kind of animals.
It´s better to build a clima than to have one that can´t be controlled.

At Marios place it is normaly to hot. So I think it´s harder to get such thinks handled, if you have to heat your cage.

So in my opinion - if you have a good qualtiy of this snakes, you can better keep them here as Mario can do.

well, fact is: Mindoro has no Tropidolaemus at all!

i have to fight with the heat - which is very difficult to do.
right now, we have 38°C! that will kill any Tropidolaemus.

another fact, commonly overlooked is: the Philippines are 2800 km long, its like the distance from sweden to greece!
we have in the north 10°C in the middle 30°+ and in the south 22°C, also the humidity is rather different.

tropics are not like tropics everywhere.

i do have an total poison climate here for tropidolaemus, with lack in electronic equipment's.

folks always believe, we have an easy life in keeping tropical animals here - the opposite way is true. its easier to raise temp and humidity as it is to lower it with our possibilities (brown outs, etc.)

cheers
Mario

Hi Mario,
Congrats to you and your team. It's great to see the success with the palawan-animals. I hope that many offspring of these species will follow, so that these animals can find the way in my stock of tropidolaemus later Wink

In my opinion one of the most stunning animals in the T-Complex...

greetings
chris

@Vangelis Unless you keep (or planning to keep) your animals in the garden i missing your point here Razz

@Mario, awesome animals! Man i wish i'll have some offspring! They do mate but that's all they seem to do. Everything should be perfect... Climate controlled room (dedicated snakeroom), right humidity, right temperature, good enclosures, no stress whatsoever, etc. etc. mind boggeling Crying or Very sad

Jan

Jan Koetze wrote:: @Vangelis Unless you keep (or planning to keep) your animals in the garden a missing your point here

@Mario, awesome animals! Man i wish i'll have some offspring! They do mate but that's all they seem to do. Everything should be perfect... Climate controlled room (dedicated snakeroom), right humidity, right temperature, good enclosures, no stress whatsoever, etc. etc. mind boggeling

Jan

Hi Jan as always I say my English is not so good.This is the reason who everybody here not understand me like you now!!!My friend you not understand what I mean!!!In Greece where I live we don't have tropical weather!!!In my garden only the cats can survive outside!!!

Vangelis Rokkos wrote:: Hi Jan as always I say my English is not so good.This is the reason who everybody here not understand me like you now!!!My friend you not understand what I mean!!!In Greece where I live we don't have tropical weather!!!In my garden only the cats can survive outside!!!

Cheer up mate, i was fooling around Very Happy

I didn't really thought you keep your animals in your garden Very Happy

Jan

Jan Koetze wrote:

Vangelis Rokkos wrote:: Hi Jan as always I say my English is not so good.This is the reason who everybody here not understand me like you now!!!My friend you not understand what I mean!!!In Greece where I live we don't have tropical weather!!!In my garden only the cats can survive outside!!!

Cheer up mate, i was fooling around Very Happy

I didn't really thought you keep your animals in your garden Very Happy

Jan

Jan Koetze wrote:: @Mario, awesome animals! Man i wish i'll have some offspring! They do mate but that's all they seem to do. Everything should be perfect... Climate controlled room (dedicated snakeroom), right humidity, right temperature, good enclosures, no stress whatsoever, etc. etc. mind boggeling

Jan

well - like i was saying it many times, if you want to breed Tropidolaemus, you need to make sure you have the right species paired up to each other.
not saying you dont, but in the last years, ill spend many time in studying the genus, what can i tell you, i believe - we found in almost all places, (as i believe) two, in some cases even 3 species in sympatric. thats on of the problems with breeding this magnificent snakes, i think most of the folks keep simply to different species in their terras. all the time, i put (like i think) the same species pairs together - we have offspring!

i know that this answer is not satisfying for you right now, but you need to wait until our other papers on the Tropidolaemus Revision will be published, than you will clearly understand what i mean. the confusion will be a bit less then (or not - lest see)

so long
Mario

Mario Lutz wrote:

Jan Koetze wrote:: @Mario, awesome animals! Man i wish i'll have some offspring! They do mate but that's all they seem to do. Everything should be perfect... Climate controlled room (dedicated snakeroom), right humidity, right temperature, good enclosures, no stress whatsoever, etc. etc. mind boggeling

Jan

well - like i was saying it many times, if you want to breed Tropidolaemus, you need to make sure you have the right species paired up to each other.
not saying you dont, but in the last years, ill spend many time in studying the genus, what can i tell you, i believe - we found in almost all places, (as i believe) two, in some cases even 3 species in sympatric. thats on of the problems with breeding this magnificent snakes, i think most of the folks keep simply to different species in their terras. all the time, i put (like i think) the same species pairs together - we have offspring!

i know that this answer is not satisfying for you right now, but you need to wait until our other papers on the Tropidolaemus Revision will be published, than you will clearly understand what i mean. the confusion will be a bit less then (or not - lest see)

so long
Mario

The two animals i'm talking about are 2 animals out of 50 animals from the same import. All the animals in that shipment where the same age/size. Real juveniles with 20cm in length or so. That was 3,5 years ago. I'm quite sure that they are from the same location but like i mention before, the information the importer gives isn't 100% reliable. That's why (and animal welfare!!!) i prefer to buy CB instead of WC, 70% of my animals are capture bred. But it's not always possible.

Can't wait till your papers are published bounce

Jan

Yes Jan, that may be right, but if there are two Tropidolaemus specs on the same island, that could be exactly the mechanism of nature that they can´t cross themselves.
So who could tell you really if you have the correct male to this female.

Jörg Porstmann wrote:: Yes Jan, that may be right, but if there are two Tropidolaemus specs on the same island, that could be exactly the mechanism of nature that they can´t cross themselves.
So who could tell you really if you have the correct male to this female.

Yes.... that's true Sad

Jan

For us it´s a try and error game. If it works you shouldn´t change this pair nevermore.

congrats and more power Mario.

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