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PostSubject: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 16:03

Hi Folks
yesterday i was offered a beautyfull and very colorfull pair of south african Bitis arietans , the guy selling them said they captve breed wich ibelive him but he also told me they dont get larger then approximatly 80 cm in length, can anyone here confirm that ?
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 16:28

They grow to around 120cm here in SA.
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 17:40

thanks for that info

do the look like this ?

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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 18:34

No not commonly like that. Unless it comes from way up north IE Limpopo or North West province where they do look similar to that. But even then I would call that a very nice specimen.
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 18:37

well both male and female wich i beenoffered look like that actually that is the female i been offered i just wanted to makesure its the real thing iam getting and not just some calling to give it a name
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 19:09

Lets just say its a remarkable SA Puff adder? I will try show you some photos of others from Limpopo province which look similar to the female you pictured.
I would assume the seller has no reason to lie so consider yourself fortunate Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeWed 17 Mar - 19:20

well ty for the asurance then and yes i consodere myself lucky Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 12:02

I would agree with Rob. How big is the snake as those colors are really bright? It is unusual, but some babies are quite bright.
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 15:08

they are from 08 and the one on the pic is the female and shes about 60 cm now
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 19:27

Puff Adders have the cutest faces EVER!
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:09

Hi Stephan,

I have arietans that are from SA, at least I was told that. They are beautiful snakes and I never question the origin too much. The male has a lot of yellow, but they are both beautiful. I got them as babies in 2004 and now they are still under 1m long - around 80cm each. The female had 2 clutches - one in 2006 and one in 2008, with 22 babies in 2006 and 31 babies in 2008. Interestingly enough in both clutches 5 babies were scaleless which I was not too happy about but people asked for them like crazy! :-)
Here are some pics..

Bitis arietans  south africa Bamale10

Bitis arietans  south africa Nv_bit10

Bitis arietans  south africa Nv_sna10

Bitis arietans  south africa Bitis_10

Bitis arietans  south africa Bitis_11
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:11

and few more..

Bitis arietans  south africa Bitis_12

Bitis arietans  south africa Bitis10

Bitis arietans  south africa Pi10
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:35

The yellow one in your 4th pic is certainly not from South Africa. PERHAPS the other one is but I will say the same thing which I said to Stephan, if it is then you are lucky.

There were some scaleless Puff adders kept locally, perhaps they came from South Africa but if you traced them back further you might find they came from Tanzania or somewhere similar.
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:38

I just found some more photos of them. In 2006 I manage to catch a female giving birth so I manage to take some pics. Among them I cough a few babies taking their first breath! :-)) cute little bastards! :-))

enjoy

Bitis arietans  south africa Bamale11

Bitis arietans  south africa Scalel10

Bitis arietans  south africa Ba-bir10

Bitis arietans  south africa Ba-bir11


Bitis arietans  south africa Ba-bir12

Bitis arietans  south africa Ba-bir13

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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:43

wow awesome pics ,great job Neven
now non of your pics does look similar to mine even though they are very good looking animals .
i have talked to the breeder of my pair and he said he has breed the parents the third time now an never did he have more then 15 to 18 babys
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:44

HI Rob,
when I got them in 2004 I did not realy care where exactly they came from. I was told they are from SA and that they will not grow as big. I can varify for 100% that at least the second statement is correct! :-) Interestingly enough as babies in 2004 when I got them they were very similar in coloration. When they were appx 2 yearrs old the male started to be more yellow. I will try to find some baby photos...
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:49

ok ty neven that would be great but i ll go with Robs statement and just be happy with them as they are if tey south african now or not ,they beautys thats what counts even though having a locationwould have been nice
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 22:55

wow,nice nice.good pics.i like the scaleless,they look so crazy.
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeThu 18 Mar - 23:04

Reeeealy Cool pix Neven!
Congrats!

Cheers Johan Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeSun 21 Mar - 2:09

Thanks for the nice pictures Neven!
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis arietans south africa   Bitis arietans  south africa Icon_minitimeMon 22 Mar - 18:26

Great looking Puffs. The colors are awesome and the pattern is striking.
I like those scaleless ones as well, they look so strange.
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