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 Naja samarensis clutch

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Carsten Frömberg
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PostSubject: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeFri 25 Apr - 18:12
Yesterday still was a great day.
From my samarensis I got 8 fine eggs (1 seems to be not ok).
The eggs looks different to each other. Some are not so long and roundish...other ones are longer/longish.
I was a little bit surprised that the eggs are so big. I think they are as big as mein Naja kaouthia eggs.

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Does anyone know if somebody have breed this ones still in Germany?
At the moment I feel pretty lucky Very Happy sunny cheers

Lets see when they will hatch.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeFri 25 Apr - 20:01
you are man, you are!
congratulation, i will be grand dad again Smile

i cross my fingers that everything will be fine, small tip besides, ill always incubated the N.samarensis eggs at 27,4°C with 0,5°C drop at night. the hatchlings hatched after 74 - 83 days, and the sex ratio was always balanced.

good luck!


Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeFri 25 Apr - 20:52
Congratulations, lucky man
I'm still waiting for my own clutch(es), no female seems to be gravid at this time.
My first samarensis eggs heve been laid on June 5th two years ago, so their's still time to hope.

Very interesting to see some of the samarensis-buyers killed their animals within a few weeks, whereas
others keep them alive and breed them.....
Good lucck for the time of incubation.
Cheers
Peter


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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 26 Apr - 3:15
Amazing news, congratulation! cheers
I am looking forward to see pictures of hatched babies soon....

All the best,
Peter P.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 26 Apr - 16:07
looking great!! goodluck with the whole clutch Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 26 Apr - 16:51
As I said on phone - I wish you all the best. I will visit you and your little spitters when they were born.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSun 27 Apr - 6:31
Congratulations Carsten! Cool
I wish you luck with incubating!

Peter Zürcher wrote:

Very interesting to see some of the samarensis-buyers killed their animals within a few weeks, whereas
others keep them alive and breed them.....

'killed' their animals?

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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSun 27 Apr - 16:49
Harold van der Ploeg wrote:
'killed' their animals?Harold

Hi Harold,

Peter is reffering to another thread, check "WC vs. CB, Prices etc." under "Herp-culture". That will tell you more... Wink

Best regards,
Peter P.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 29 Apr - 17:20
So after the first days the eggs look pretty good Very Happy Cool
I incubate them at a temperature of 27,5°C - 28,5°C

Just another Question. Does anyone know of (legal) captive born Naja samarensis in Germany. Or would that be the firstbreed in Germany?
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 29 Apr - 17:48
Hi Carsten
As far as I know, Marios exports of Naja samarensis have been the first and only ones in a complete legal way.
I never heard about samarensis breedings in Germany, there's one person in Switzerland who bred them for a couple of times. His breeding adults must have left the Philippines illegallly, but they might be legal in Switzerland due to a stopover in some other country, I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 29 Apr - 17:54
First of all, there is only one "fellow" samarensis keeper here in Germany - unless Peter have sold some here in Germany.

So don´t worry. You must be the first.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 30 Apr - 23:07
Hi Carsten!

Congratulations and best wishes Very Happy
Hope you can show us some little spitters in some weeks Very Happy

Is it impertinent to ask for pictures of your adult samarensis?

Martina
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeThu 1 May - 17:39
Congrats Carsten!

Can I persuade you to post a pictures of the parent animals? Samarensis is definately one Naja species, you can't see too many times Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 3 May - 0:44
So here are 2 pictures of my breeding pair.

female
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 3 May - 0:56
handsome snakes,

i wonder where did you got them from... Surprised



nice to see them again, and nice to see them having a nice clutch of eggs. Terry at reptilegardens have also eggs from them. they got animals from us to...

i am happy to see, we gave the snakes in good hands! thanks guys..




cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeSat 3 May - 3:31
Thanks Carsten! They are really nice!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeMon 30 Jun - 17:27
Some new infos...or rather not many new information.

Today is Day 68 and still nothing hatched. Until one week ago I´ve incubated them on 27 1/2 - 29 degree without drop at night. After I´ve seen a little dent on an egg I put the incubation temperature a little bit down. Now it´s ~27 - 28.

The 6 eggs looks ok...and I hope that something will hatch soon. I´m wondering about the long incubation. The kaouthias hatched all the years after ~58 Days (Temperature 27,5-29 C).
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 1 Jul - 8:45
dont you worry...

i had had 85 days already... be patient and wait!


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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 1 Jul - 16:45
85 Days...wow...thats long for cobras or not?
I just wonder a little bit about this long incubation. You incubated at a temp. of 27,4 C and 0,5 drop at night?

From all my incubated eggs (corn snakes, kaouthia´s, burmese python, cerastes) they hatched after round about 60 days. The temperature was always 27,5 - 29,0 degree...only the temperature for the burmese was higher (31 C).

Ok then I´ll have to wait and drink some tea Cool Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeTue 1 Jul - 21:45
wow nice Naja samarensis, best wishes, looking forward to see the hatchlings

Be safe
-arcy
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 2 Jul - 16:46
i incubate my naja samarensis eggs between 26,4 to 27,3°C, never stable always changing temp. i do not believe in stable temperatures. in nature, there is nothing like stable conditions.

Mario
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 2 Jul - 16:47
I think drinking tea has been a good idea.

Today in the morning ( Day 70) I´ve seen the first head Very Happy sunny

So let´s wait some days and see how many will hatch.

Of course I´ll post some pics of the hatchlings.
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 2 Jul - 16:52
Great! Gratuliere! Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 2 Jul - 19:02
Superb!
Congratulations, that's absolutely great! Cool
I'm looking forward to the pictures.


Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: Naja samarensis clutch   Naja samarensis clutch Icon_minitimeWed 2 Jul - 20:03
I am excited to see the babies,

Again Congrats!!!
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