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Heather Miller
Newbie
Number of posts : 13
Age : 47
Location : Washington State, USA
Points : 4977
Registration date : 2011-04-27
| Subject: Hello from Washington State, USA  Fri 29 Apr - 11:59 | |
| Hello everyone! I'm so happy to join this community. I've been impressed by the professionalism and knowledge of the members of this group as well as the amazing photography. Wow people! I don't currently own any herps although I have kept native snakes in the past. Unfortunately, from what I understand it is impossible to privately own hots in my state.  So, I'll have to enjoy them through your photos and stories for now. I've always wanted to keep arboreal vipers, they are gorgeous! I'm looking to move to another state soon, so maybe someday I'll be able to own them. I would love to hear about how some of you made the leap from non-venomous into hots. Does anyone have any recommendations of resources for a beginner? Thank you! -Heather | |
| | | | Paul Batchelor
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 88
Age : 43
Location : London England
Points : 5187
Registration date : 2010-12-27
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Sun 1 May - 1:03 | |
| Welcome to the forum Heather, Washington's a beautiful state  | |
| | | | Chaim Haveman
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 303
Age : 44
Location : Netherlands
Points : 5681
Registration date : 2010-05-08
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Sun 1 May - 18:06 | |
| Welcome Heather - Heather Miller wrote:
- Unfortunately, from what I understand it is impossible to privately own hots in my state.
thats to bad... I realy hope this doesn't happen here in Holland. | |
| | | | April Mandel
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 128
Age : 74
Location : Eastern USA
Points : 5135
Registration date : 2011-04-23
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Fri 6 May - 5:00 | |
| As I remember, exotic venomous snakes are mostly legal in Oregon. If you're considering a move, you may not have far to go!
Contact,
Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife
2501 SW First Ave., PO Box 59
Portland, OR 92707
Resources may readily be found through the website, http://www.kingsnake.com/ | |
| | | | Heather Miller
Newbie
Number of posts : 13
Age : 47
Location : Washington State, USA
Points : 4977
Registration date : 2011-04-27
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Sat 7 May - 17:27 | |
| Paul and Chaim, thank you for the warm welcomes. Yes, Washington is a beautiful state. Have you visited or lived here? I love it although I've gotten a bit sick of the long winters. This year has been especially cold and wet. It seems like there was no spring and summer will never arrive! Then I see the gorgeous snakes you're able to keep in Europe and I can't help but feel a little jealous, April, thanks for the tip and resources! I'll look into that. I've considered Oregon, now I have another reason! Nice to see another lady on here! We're few and far between in this interest area. It's nice to know I'm not the only one, lol! | |
| | | | Klaus Roemer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 222
Age : 65
Location : Homburg, Germany
Points : 5434
Registration date : 2011-03-26
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Sun 8 May - 1:49 | |
| Good to have you here Heather. If some day you have the chance to own your first arboreal vipers, try Bothriechis schlegeli (try to get subadults or adults; juvies often refuse to feed at the beginning). They are beautifully colored, usually placid, and easy to keep and maintain. In my view, a good first hot, if it has to be an arboreal. Moreover, this species is currently sold in large numbers on the various shows, at least here in Europe. So prices are moderate and offers are plenty.
Cheers,
Klaus | |
| | | | Heather Miller
Newbie
Number of posts : 13
Age : 47
Location : Washington State, USA
Points : 4977
Registration date : 2011-04-27
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Sun 8 May - 14:19 | |
| Hi Klaus, Thank you for the recommendation! I'm very happy to hear B. schlegelii is relatively easy to keep! They were the first arboreal that really caught my eye as a child and are still my favorite. The range of colors is amazing! What do you think about Atheris squamigera as a beginner hot? I'm drawn to several of the species in the Atheris genus in fact. You mentioned B. schlegeli would be a good first hot - if it has to be an arboreal. Out of curiosity, what would be a good non-arboreal hot for a beginner, in your opinion? Have a great weekend! -Heather | |
| | | | Klaus Roemer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 222
Age : 65
Location : Homburg, Germany
Points : 5434
Registration date : 2011-03-26
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Mon 9 May - 0:51 | |
| Atheris are great fun to keep, they are gorgeous and have very special looks; we had them in our life collection for the past 10 or so years and even got them to produce offspring regularly. However, as a first hot I would not recommend Atheris squamigera because they are individually very different and many, especially males, are often easily stressed out, for instance if several specimen are kept in the same enclosure, and then stubbornly refuse to take food, which of course may make force-feeding necessary - a procedure you definitely want to stay away from at the beginning. Also, they tend to be short-lived, even in the hands of experienced keepers - usually they live no more than 6-8 years in captivity (I'm talking about captive breds, not wild-caughts; these may even be less enduring). Atheris chloroechis is a great species but in our hands was very dependent of a constantly moist environment; otherwise they have a tendency towards the development of fecal stones.
Other good first hots are snakes of the genus Aspidelaps (if one is opting for an elapid). For example, A. l. lubricus is beautifully colored, sturdy in captivity, of moderate size and temperament (although they are nicely posturing and can put on quite a show), and generally easy to keep, in my opinion.
Best wishes,
Klaus | |
| | | | April Mandel
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 128
Age : 74
Location : Eastern USA
Points : 5135
Registration date : 2011-04-23
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Mon 9 May - 2:23 | |
| Pygmy rattlesnakes, Sistrurus, are both interesting and easy to care for. I guess they would be my choice for a first venomous snake. | |
| | | | Heather Miller
Newbie
Number of posts : 13
Age : 47
Location : Washington State, USA
Points : 4977
Registration date : 2011-04-27
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Mon 9 May - 13:34 | |
| Klaus and April, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on good first hots. I'll definitely keep those in mind. Klaus, I hadn't considered elapids to start with but that A. l. lubricus is a very nice looking snake! I appreciate the info you shared about A. squamigera. I certainly would not want to end up in a force feeding situation when I'm just starting out, although I accept that owning hots may mean I need to do such a thing at some point. I've always imagined keeping several arboreals together in a very naturalistic enclosure but I know a lot of keepers advise against it. I've seen some very sad pictures of pets cannibalizing each other. You really made me think when you said that keeping them together could induce the snakes to stop eating because of stress. On another note, I was just in Germany in September and I think we must have driven through or near Homburg. We started in Stuttgart and went all over including Trier and even into Luxembourg. You live in a beautiful country. I'd love to go back. April, your suggestion led me to check out pygmy rattlers. We don't have them in the wild around here of course so I wasn't very familiar with them. I have experience with Crotalus oreganus, C. atrox, and C. scutulatus in the wild from time living in the Southwest US. (One of my best herping experiences was witnessing C. scutulatus in a mating display in the middle of a dirt road in Arizona.) Well, I hadn't realized how colorful the pygmies are, especially S. miliarius! Very nice recommendation! I really appreciate the advice from both of you! | |
| | | | April Mandel
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 128
Age : 74
Location : Eastern USA
Points : 5135
Registration date : 2011-04-23
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Tue 10 May - 5:10 | |
| S. miliarius occurs in a red phase which, to me, is quite attractive. Eyelash Vipers are easy to care for and can live for many years. The one shown was bred by me from Costa Rican parents, and lived for about 23 years. The Costa Rican strain is larger and heavier in body than the Honduran strain, which is smaller and more slender. As she aged, the coloration turned into an intense brick red. They're extremely variable in coloration, easy to breed, and readily available at reptile shows. This would be my choice for an arboreal species, although they usually need to be force fed to get them started. You should be able to find one that has already been acclimated to eating on its own.   | |
| | | | Heather Miller
Newbie
Number of posts : 13
Age : 47
Location : Washington State, USA
Points : 4977
Registration date : 2011-04-27
| | Subject: Re: Hello from Washington State, USA Thu 12 May - 12:43 | |
| Wow, what a beauty! Thanks for sharing. It's interesting how they can change colors over the years...
I'd definitely want to look for one that was eating on it's own. Force feeding is a little daunting thought for someone new to keeping hots. I can imagine how I could do it safely by tubing and using forceps but not sure if this is the method generally used. I think if I live in an area where I can keep hots in the future, I'll have to look for a herp club and hopefully a mentor. | |
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