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+12Christian Moisander Al Hyde Fabian Dirks Michael Burmeister Bjoern Gotzmann Sami Heikkinen Walter Kidd Jan Jonkman Anze Gratzer Louis Jacobsz Andrew Hacket Christoph Rothenbühler 16 posters |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| Subject: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Icon_minitime](https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif) Tue 14 Jun - 5:09 | |
| Hey Guys, One of my most favorite species has his first offspring yesterday night. It was the first offspring from this animal. I'm very happy. Here are a few pics of the juveniles and the tired mother. Hope you like it... ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico14](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico14.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico15](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico15.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico16](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico16.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico17](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico17.jpg) Chris | |
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Andrew Hacket
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 448
Age : 45
Location : South Africa
Points : 6379
Registration date : 2008-04-27
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 5:12 | |
| Me Likey !! Great Job Christoph , keep us posted on the baby's progress... | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 5:21 | |
| Hi Andrew,
Thanks.
You have also made a fantastic job with your caudalis!
cheers
Chris | |
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Louis Jacobsz
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 108
Age : 34
Location : Pretoria,South Africa
Points : 5277
Registration date : 2010-09-14
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 5:37 | |
| Christoph...WOW MAN...Congrats,they are stunning !
Regards. | |
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Anze Gratzer
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 79
Age : 43
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5701
Registration date : 2009-06-11
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 6:28 | |
| Very beautiful species! Big congrats!
Cheers,
Anze | |
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Jan Jonkman
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 153
Age : 40
Location : The Netherlands
Points : 5264
Registration date : 2010-10-28
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 6:45 | |
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Walter Kidd
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 63
Age : 64
Location : North Carolina, USA
Points : 5007
Registration date : 2011-03-29
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 7:17 | |
| AWESOME ! CONGRATULTIONS !!! | |
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Sami Heikkinen
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 173
Age : 41
Location : Finland
Points : 5980
Registration date : 2008-11-04
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 14:51 | |
| Nice! How many babies did you get?
I'm trying to find a male for my "Ituri" female... | |
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Bjoern Gotzmann
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 49
Age : 46
Location : Switzerland
Points : 5369
Registration date : 2010-04-16
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 15:14 | |
| Hello Christoph,
Nice Job, concratulations from switzerland .....
Björn | |
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Michael Burmeister
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 157
Age : 43
Location : South Africa
Points : 5401
Registration date : 2010-07-02
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 15:30 | |
| Fantastic Christoph! This is my all time favourite species and I’m so glad to see it being bred more regularly in captivity. Maybe I will be able to add some captive bred babies of my own in the future. Would you mind sharing how you went about breeding like the cycling of the parents and what temperature you kept your female at when she was gravid? | |
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Guest
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| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Tue 14 Jun - 18:23 | |
| nice work, goodluck with em  |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Wed 15 Jun - 3:21 | |
| Hi at all, Thank you very much for your congratulations. @sami The litter was very (very) small. It was the first litter from this animal: 4 dead babies, 2 slugs and 4 living Babies. I will hold back 1.1, the other 2 animals are allready reserved. @michael the animals are always separated. Between February and March the animals are in the same cage. I could see NO pairings. Therefore, I did not know that the animal was pregnant  So I have made no conscious changes in temperature and humidity: during the day: 22-25 degrees (in summertime sometimes 28 degrees), during the night: 18-22 degrees. The whole ground of the cage is full with living plants. In the first three years the animals have lived in plastic boxes and I have kept them extremely dark. More informations I will soon publish on my website... cheers chris | |
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Fabian Dirks
Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 766
Age : 42
Location : Germany
Points : 6675
Registration date : 2009-01-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Wed 15 Jun - 3:35 | |
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Al Hyde
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 154
Age : 60
Location : Ash Vale UK
Points : 6017
Registration date : 2008-07-21
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Wed 15 Jun - 20:18 | |
| Hi Christoph ..
Fantastic!! Well done , well done , well done! I'm really pleased for you .
So... Do you thibnk I was right ? The reason you lost babies before is because the temps were too high ?
So pleased for you mate
Al | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Thu 16 Jun - 0:43 | |
| Hi Al, Please forgive me, but we had a conversation about my nasicornis before? I was a long time away from the forums, maybe I have forgotten our conversation. I can't remember, that we have talked about the temps and I had never nasicornis-babies before... It was also my first attempt to breed this species. Can you help me remember please?  cheers chris | |
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Al Hyde
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 154
Age : 60
Location : Ash Vale UK
Points : 6017
Registration date : 2008-07-21
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Thu 16 Jun - 2:20 | |
| Ah... Forgive me, Christoph  I have got myself mixed up LOL!! It was someone else I held this conversation with .. sorry for the confusion . But once again .. A huuuuge Congratulations! Al | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Thu 16 Jun - 3:24 | |
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Christian Moisander
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 404
Age : 48
Location : Finland
Points : 6291
Registration date : 2008-04-27
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Thu 16 Jun - 17:37 | |
| Congrats Christoph! Beautiful baby, and 4 is much better than none. Did you ever witness the female basking or expressing the desire to do so? Btw, are yours actually from Ituri Forest, or are you just 'old-schooling' with that term? Al, you might be thinking about our past discussions And for the record, I never succeeded over the years despite my efforts, so I gave up. Only unferts & stillborn resulted from the numerous matings I was fortunate to witness. I consider this to be one of the biggest failures I've experienced. | |
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Al Hyde
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 154
Age : 60
Location : Ash Vale UK
Points : 6017
Registration date : 2008-07-21
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Thu 16 Jun - 23:58 | |
| Hi Christian ...
Yes, you're quite right , it was you and I that held the conversation ... please forgive my mess up ...
Sorry you didn't have success mate ... have you still got the adults? Mine was a failure last year too, my female produced 5 slugs and that was it .
I would really love to have a nose around in the ituri Forest... See exactly what colour variation there is ... Beautiful snakes above , absolutely beautiful , but they look no different from my Ugandans .
I was lead to believe that... the Ituri forest specimins had all the eastern traits , but differed in having blue down the sides instead of green ..
It's all a bit of a mystery | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Fri 17 Jun - 0:51 | |
| Hi Guys, - Quote :
- Did you ever witness the female basking or expressing the desire to do so?
What do you mean exactly? Do you mean, whether the animal is searching the light in the cage? the ituri-thing:The animals was selling to me as Ituri-animals. A good friend of mine has organized the animals from an importer as CB-animals from a Ituri-Station and I trust him. But I want to unleash a discussion of Ituri-animals. For me it is not important, make the animals the addition of "Ituri". The animals are beautiful and if desired, can I omit the words "Ituri" the next time. No problem for me cheers chris | |
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Al Hyde
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 154
Age : 60
Location : Ash Vale UK
Points : 6017
Registration date : 2008-07-21
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Fri 17 Jun - 2:04 | |
| Hi Christoph I completely agree , not an issue with me either ... your animals are indeed beeeeautiful ! As are my ugandans .. I even think the drabber westerns are beautiful too. I'm interested just from my study point of view as i've been looking at and learning about nasicornis for some 20 years now . There's so much mystery where this species is concerned . I'd love to look at the localities in the wild and pick out defining points where we could say .."That's a Ugandan because ... That's an Ituri because ..." In my opinion, the Ugandans are just as beautiful as those i've seen labeled as ituri . Yet again .. huge congratulations!! Al | |
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jean-henri pastore
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 340
Age : 49
Location : France
Points : 5888
Registration date : 2009-11-13
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Fri 17 Jun - 5:29 | |
| Big congrat Christoph !!!!!!
My all favorite species with russeli ! | |
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Ralph Tümmers
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 176
Age : 45
Location : Germany
Points : 6309
Registration date : 2008-04-26
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Fri 17 Jun - 17:33 | |
| Congrats Christoph , a great sucess Greets Ralph | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Sat 18 Jun - 18:21 | |
| Hey Ralph,
Thank you very much!
cheers
chris | |
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Christoph Rothenbühler
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 102
Age : 42
Location : Welschenrohr, Switzerland
Points : 6151
Registration date : 2008-03-07
| | Subject: Re: [Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Sun 19 Jun - 5:03 | |
| Here are some feeding pics of the little critters. All animals have eaten at the first attempt. Hope you like it... ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico18](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico18.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico19](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico19.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico20](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico20.jpg) ![[Bitis nasicornis] "Ituri Forest"-Offspring Nasico21](https://i.servimg.com/u/f22/12/12/07/54/nasico21.jpg) chris | |
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