Vipera ammodytes male 2011

Hello,
just two pics of my first venomous snakes. a young vipera ammodytes ammodytes (scutari lake) CB2011 (thanks to Michael Corboz Wink

and his terra:
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Congrats with the first one David! Very Happy

Cheers, Ro.

thanks

He's looking really good.

Regards
Daniel

I really love those sandvipers... Congratulations with your first venomous, David.

thanks!
And is search for him a nice orange-red female from scutari.... someone can help me in my search?
cheers
David

Hello David,
this is a beautiful snake but are you absolutely sure about the locality?

Do you have any photos of the parents?

Cheers,
Rainer

yes. the two parents are yellow and from the scutary lake.
sorry i will see with the breeders who sell me this young if they are pics of parents and if it's possible, i post the pics here.
why you ask that? you think it's not to skutari?
thanks

Hello David,
V. ammodytes from the Lake Skutari-area are extremely variable in pattern and color. You can find any color in V. ammod. there that is possible within the whole species at any location, though most are grey or greyish-brown. And you can very rarely find animals that look very much like typical V. ammodytes meridionalis (pattern, shape).
As your´s looks very much like meridionalis from Macedonia, I asked you wether you are sure about the locality and if you can post any photos of the parents. I did not want to say it is not from the Skutari-area. It would just be a specimen that has a pattern that is very rare in that area.
But maybe it would be interesting for you to be sure and to be able to find the right female for breeding with this male.

You can find photos of a number of Skutaro-Ammodytes here:
http://www.venomland.net/t3266-more-scutari-vipera-a-ammodytes
and more in other posts on Venomland.

No question, that is a beautiful male and he´ll probably be more beautiful when he´ll be bigger. Congratulations,
Rainer

thanks for your answer.
can you propose me the right female? because I think you have a big collection of skutari lake ammodytes... Wink

nice pics in your topic!
cheers,
David

If you find out that it really is a Lake Skutari ammodytes, you can take any female from that area, it´s just a matter of taste.
If it´s not, maybe it´s possible to find out where your male is from and then find a fitting female. I don´t think that should be too difficult.

Photos of the parents and siblings (and maybe grandparents or other relatives) would be very helpful.
What color is the underside of his tail?

Cheers,
Rainer

Congrats on first vens, u need to post in 12months with update of vens inventory as I doubt it will remain at just this 1-It is a good ADDICTION!

Hi David,

Beautifull snake!
@Rainer: No doubt about the locality, i have the grand parents of this little male Laughing

(Grand parents are my bigs yellow ones on venomland)..... Smile

Hello Jean-Henri,
then the location is clear. Like I wrote, the question came to me because the male has a very unusual though not impossible pattern for a Skutari-V. ammod., more typical for V. a. meridionalis.

Hello David,
so it should be no problem to find a beautiful lady for him.

Good luck with him and for your way as a keeper of venomous snakes. V. ammodytes is a good start.

Rainer

thanks all for your post.
For the color of the tail. It's yellow,a little orange. and I have reserved a little female for him.
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Vipera ammodytes male 2011 26869110150246485727944

this female is born at Gregoire Meier snakehouse and this is his pics.
I hope they will make a lot of babies Wink

David

David Guerra wrote:: thanks all for your post.
For the color of the tail. It's yellow,a little orange. and I have reserved a little female for him.

this female is born at Gregoire Meier snakehouse and this is his pics.
I hope they will make a lot of babies
David

Sorry David, but this snake is a male...... Wink

ok, I have never seen this snake but I think meier has make a good identification.....
are you sure is a male?
thanks

Yes i'm sure it's a male !
@Rainer....?

I am sure it is a male too.

I suppose it´s a male but I´m not absolutely sure. I´ve seen (very few) females that, judging from their pattern and color / contrast looked more like males than many males. The only way to be sure about their gender was looking at their tails. On this photo I´m not even sure about the shape of the tail. A photo of the tail from underneath would bring certainty.

Cheers,
Rainer

I wouldn't be surprised either if this is a female.

Cheers, Ro.

like say Rainer nothing can be sure...But like that, as we can see the tail i will think to be a male......and about the coloration, no doubt......we have to waite now.... Smile

yes, i send a message to Gregoire for have more information. thanks for your comments.

Are you sure that you say?

To leave some 'suspense .... I put the photo of the tail of three brothers and sisters, including Spotting that you believe is male.

Let's see how they judge seeing the tail from below:

1:

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2:

3:

One thing is sure, the number 2 is a male......for the other, sorry but i have again a doubt, seems to be some females......

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