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 Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus

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Daniel Revers
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PostSubject: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeFri 27 Jan - 6:34
Hi,
I think there is a way to check the gender of Aspidelaps to a reasonable percentage without probing or popping it as this is forbidden on the most events like hamm. The tailes must be different. Does anyone can help me? Maybe with pics?
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeFri 27 Jan - 18:15
Daniel Revers wrote:
Hi,
I think there is a way to check the gender of Aspidelaps to a reasonable percentage without probing or popping it as this is forbidden on the most events like hamm. The tailes must be different. Does anyone can help me? Maybe with pics?
Thanks!
Dan
The male has a longer tail than the female, but can be difficult to see if the snakes are babies.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeSat 28 Jan - 7:29
Not sure what you can do at the show, but as Mark said above, males have relatively longer tails. For a number of baby snakes, I determine sex by tubing them and measuring the SVL (snout-vent length) and tail length and doing a percentage (I usually put this in a excel graph for convenience). For an average clutch there are some clear males (with the greatest % tail length) and females and usually because of my inaccurracies of measuring.....1 or 2 that still need to be probed. In theory this should work for most if not all species and has worked well in eyelashes, death adders and a couple species of rattlesnakes.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeMon 30 Jan - 17:15
Hi Daniel, as both said it's quite impossible to determinate the sex by watching the snakes in their first year of life , in particular if you have to buy some in a reptile show and they are in their boxes... the tail lenghts are not very different from male to female.
In my opinion probing is the most secure solution, popping doesn't always say the truth with this species when they're babies.
I got 1.1. from 2010 and if you see them for the first time without knowing who's female or male they seem two animals of the same sex.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeWed 15 Feb - 5:20
Thank you all for your answers! Do you have a rough guess what this could be?
Even after probing I´m not sure, tend to female though... would go along with its bitchy character (sorry girls, wasn´t meant that way :-) )
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeWed 15 Feb - 5:30
Don't have much experience with elapids, but from my experiences with colubrids and vipers I would go for the female also...
Could you provide a pic of the underside of the tail?
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeWed 15 Feb - 6:20
If you couldn't get a probe in very far, then it is a female. The probe can only enter the vent for 2 or 3 ventrical scales in females and 5/6/7 in males. The photo also looks like a female.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus   Gender of Aspidelaps Lubricus Icon_minitimeWed 15 Feb - 6:25
Thanks guys! Great help. This one's just not easy to handle but I like her a lot for her character.
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