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PostSubject: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeFri 19 Dec - 4:01
Good evening Gents,

I am wondering if there is a way to find out the origin locality of a female Tropidolaemus wagleri from sumatra on the basis of the different coloring. An Indonesian guy told me for example, that females from north sumatra ( medan ) have more green components on the basic black/yellow coloring than animals from the south. Do you have any experiences about this? I appreciate any information. Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSat 20 Dec - 20:55
more information on the top tropidolaemus information site:
http://www.thomas-jaekel.homepage.t-online.de/WagVS/imagnsum.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSun 21 Dec - 0:30
Hello Bartholin,

Thank you for your reply. I know the page of Thomas Jaekel but I didnt find an answer for my special request there.

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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSun 21 Dec - 0:57
For the sumatran i've seen few medan specimens that have pale green on the dorsal scales, but they look almost the same as west malaysian ones, no big differences.
I'll make an order on waglers soon, i'll ask for nothern sumatra specimens, just to see!
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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSun 21 Dec - 2:51
Bartholin,
thank you for your effort, i am exciting to hear your answer. Wish you some healthy and good looking animals for your order.

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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSun 21 Dec - 20:53
Hello,

according to a guy living in Sumatra there do exist two different forms of T.wagleri.Lowland and highland form.Highland form does keep amount of green coloration even in adulthood.They are also smaller than the specimens from lowland (usually reaching only 50-60 cm as adults).

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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeSun 21 Dec - 22:20
Hello Radovan,

Interesting information! Thank you for your reply. It would be interesting if even the females from the highland are growing only to 60cm.
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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeMon 22 Dec - 0:14
Niko,

I meant that the highland form grow only to 60 cm.
The lowland form is the typical huge wagleri reaching up to 100 cm.
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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeMon 22 Dec - 5:30
We have the same matter here with vipera aspis zinnickeri, the mountains populations tend to be smaller(1/3 less) in size, Maybe it's food related??!
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PostSubject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri   Tropidolaemus wagleri Icon_minitimeMon 22 Dec - 6:41
Yes i think its food related, but even if its in north sumatra, it is geographic still a tropical zone.
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