Another Swede convicted of illegal trade in endangered species

No accusations made here, Kelly.
It has been posted here that Alexej has been convicted for violations of regulations of trading in endangered species.
That's fact!
But what happened really?
He tried to find customers for offspring of a WA 1 - specimen, which hasn't been in his posession.
According to the court report, he didn't find any interested customers - and these Varanus eggs didn't hatch , so there haven't been any tradings at all.
I hope he learned his lesson, and what we all could learn is: even trying to sell, or just trying to offer WA-specimens - without having them (and the papers) in posession - is punishable!
If i will publish an add here at VenomLand, offering a Python molurus, i' ll be guilty - if i do not have proper Cites-papers for that specimen - no matter i have one of these Pythons or not in my posession.
That's exactly what happened to Alexej Darafeyenka, not more and not less.

regards
Peter

Kelly Chabak wrote:: He just stated that he is still undergoing court proceedings. He can still appeal. All I am saying lets see what developes. Innocent people have been convicted before. If his appeal gets denied, then we call all stone him in the village square. You can cast the first stone.

Yes but right now, as we speak, he is guilty and sentenced.
He might get a even harsher sentence later on of course.
I guess you havent read the pdf (in swedish). I think you would change your mind if you did.

Kelly, you rock A**!! but please dont take part in this circus - some #@%!Xs just trolling here and I am having fun,)
and of course that canadian have no idea that almost majority in Belarus are russians (as soon in Sweden too, haha, couse my kids will rule this country!!,))
Yes, you are right - the appeal has sent but even if I lose again I dont have to pay any fines - the person who was allowed by me to use my terraristic account to send an announsment on(and only for this I was convicted by #@%!X swedish court, see PDF file) feels sad about this and promised to pay all this shit(not a big problem for him, he has his own Zoo!,).
So I am just enjoing life and planing new summer trips!! Hear from you on FB!! Chao Very Happy

Alexej Darafeyenka wrote:: Kelly, you rock A**!! but please dont take part in this circus - some #@%!Xs just trolling here and I am having fun,)
and of course that canadian have no idea that almost majority in Belarus are russians (as soon in Sweden too, haha, couse my kids will rule this country!!,))
Yes, you are right - the appeal has sent but even if I lose again I dont have to pay any fines - the person who was allowed by me to use my terraristic account to send an announsment on(and only for this I was convicted by #@%!X swedish court, see PDF file) feels sad about this and promised to pay all this shit(not a big problem for him, he has his own Zoo!,).
So I am just enjoing life and planing new summer trips!! Hear from you on FB!! Chao

Its not me who doesnt seem to know where im born...
Russian? Yeah whatever. Its not important. Whats important is you are a XXXXXX and hopefully you'll get the hell out of Sweden asap.
Give me a email and I will come and help you pack.

Please, gentlemen - no provocations, no insults, no offense!

Peter, sorry! Hope you dont think I take them serious! Wink

Thanks for the add on FB!

Kelly, - just as I told you!! Very Happy

I wish you would take things serious, Alexej.
Adding you on Facebook doesn't mean i'm accepting everything you do - i'm just a person who doesn't close doors that quick - and it won't safe you from further critical words at all.
But i try to see things unprejudiced and different, and this Varanus - case isn't THAT big crime in my opinion, but it was incorrect - would love to see you thinking the same way....

Peter, that my friends annousment is the only reason for the swedish court to convict me for illegal trade, there were no any real animal somewhere! By the way: the announsment was sent by the russian citizen on the german web page, so my question is what Sweden has to do whith the hole thing?????????
I asked the Terraristik.com owner if its legal to send such announsments about CITES A animals on his web page, he wrote yes, you just must have papers while selling real animals. You also can find hundreds announsments of CITES A aniamals(like Testudo ets.) on the web-page without any cites-number or even a notice that there are any papers. So my next question is why its just me who got to the court???????? Not asking you, just telling about..

Alex, plain and simple you were set up... by the way the Swede was talking that seems to be the sentiment in that country about Russians, the justice system just wants want to play with you a while and make you spend your money,

Man forget this business theirs no money in it, forget livin dangerously too , i see you like that
"Russian Mafia " correct.

Get an agent move to L.A and get in to the motion picture business , direct your energy into something positive who knows you might be the next Jason Statham "The Transporter".

Sorry to hear bout that sounds like B.S.

AJM.

Thanks, Mr.Montejo! I see you understand right my situation..
Yes, there are no any business for me here, I never got any big money on animals, they are just sciense and hobby for me.
I would like to follow your advice but US is so far away and I have family in Russia!
Yes, swedes are so nervous about us, kicking their a...s since viking times and Poltava battle, and now invading their country 38 times smaller than ours! Think its time for them to learn russian! Very Happy

Bet Alex , it is far , well ever think about MMA good money your still young , hook up with Fedor Emelianeko RRT as a coach and youll be set...beats hunting moose .

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Youll be fine enjoy your summer try IBIZA , youll surely forget the BS, the exchange rates are good now leave your Russian Cobra's at home !!.

AJM

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As fellow reptile lovers, what will it hurt to give each other the benefit of the doubt until it is no longer feasible? At any rate, its counterproductive to insult each other. As I said, people have been wrongly convicted before and he still has his appeal. If his appeal fails, then so be it. I just don't think attacking each other, and rushing to judgment is a good thing. It’s all a matter of degrees, and hopefully no one thinks I was disrespecting them I was not. We are all entitled to out opinions, and that was mine.

Quote :: " How the most intellegent people are called in Sweden?
- the tourists!! Laughing
How the smartest people are called in Sweden?
- immigrants!! " Laughing

Racist jokes on a international forum. And it´s accepted - really?

For obvious reasons I find it pretty illogical when a international (friendly based) arena is combined with racism.

I understand your negativity, but joke is only a joke, that makes people smile! Wink

Btw you can google "racism" so you understand what is this..

Quote :: Racist jokes on a international forum. And it´s accepted - really?

racism has many faces - and ethnic discrimination is one of'em.
One may see it as a joke, but please remind that the worst things in man's history have started with "harmless" jokes.
And of course it's not tolerated here and has been bashed by an admin.

Please stay topic and discuss the facts, no matter if you are Swede, Russian, Swiss or whatever!

regards
Peter

Sorry , Peter, for this joke noticed by me long ago on a swedish web-site!

Btw I got information via FB that last year a swedish person was convicted for offering for sale CITES A animals,
but real animals he kept illegally and he got only a warning, while I got fines(and you know the hole story from the PDF file).
So my next question if it is justice or ethnic discrimination???? I will ask it the court next time I am there but think I can just
get one answer as the last time: "You cant ask some questions here, you can only answer the questions." Evil or Very Mad

Alex , logically you have anwsered your own question , you seem of sound scientific mind and able to reason that you have been convicted in absense of proof except using your right to free speach.

i do not know the laws that govern Sweden in that area of free speach but i believe you have harmed no one .

Scientific logic is not that difficult to understand it's quite mathematical, but responses and actions based on arcane prejudices as Peter Zurcher mentioned and given to the waves of emotions are a very deep ocean that no man has reached the depth of.

AJM.

I have enough of this posts here... You folks go back to the serious side of our hobby/profession or go somewhere else...

i close this topic...

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