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Jan Koetze
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 56
Age : 59
Location : The Netherlands
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Registration date : 2008-04-05
| Subject: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi)  Sun 6 Apr - 22:21 | |
| Very nice lady  It's my experience that the animals from Sulawesi are much more aggressive (defensive) then the Sumatra/Malaysian members.    Jan | |
| | | | Mario Lutz
Lord of the Serpents
Number of posts : 1416
Age : 56
Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
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Registration date : 2008-03-06
| | Subject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi) Sun 6 Apr - 22:29 | |
| well - the systematic has been changed recently jan. this animals are raised into full species rank and therefore called now Tropidolaemus subannulatus. see here!very nice animal, and an very nice picture again (as usual i should say?) cheers Mario | |
| | | | Jan Koetze
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 56
Age : 59
Location : The Netherlands
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Registration date : 2008-04-05
| | Subject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi) Sun 6 Apr - 22:32 | |
| - Mario Lutz wrote:
- well - the systematic has been changed recently jan.
this animals are raised into full species rank and therefore called now Tropidolaemus subannulatus.
see here!
very nice animal, and an very nice picture again (as usual i should say?)
cheers
Mario I know Mario but i'm not so fast with taking over those new names.... for more then one reason I'm afraid... As a matter of fact, i still call Viridovipera and others Trimeresurus. I stick with the Vogel approach instead of the Malhortra way when it comes to Trimeresurus so to speak edit: I forgot to post a picture of the male  Jan | |
| | | | Mario Lutz
Lord of the Serpents
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| | Subject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi) Sun 6 Apr - 22:50 | |
| well, thats understood - but still, mtDNA analyses showed clealry our findings.
how ever, you can of corse use any name you like, but at this forum here, i will you remind - that there has been some changes recently.
i am working with Gernot Vogel together on many projects, recently just on the Tropidolaemus revision. and still, i accept the new revision of Anita (contraire to Vogel), because it makes sense, even the Malhortra paper is´nt perfect yet, and many questions still has to be answered, but it does not mean it is wrong and in error at all. that the whole green asian pit-viper group has to be reviewed was everybody more than clear. Anita just tried to stabilize the Taxonomy, and somebody has to start - even if it is just to give others the platform to continue working on it. there is no way, that all formerly known Species (Trimeresurus sensu lato) is just one family. i think we are dacor on that. everybody is welcomed to join into the quest in bringing light into the darkness!
cheers
Mario | |
| | | | Jan Koetze
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Number of posts : 56
Age : 59
Location : The Netherlands
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Registration date : 2008-04-05
| | Subject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi) Sun 6 Apr - 23:12 | |
| Don't get me wrong Mario, i also believe that Malhortra approach is better then the old approach. In the end the only correct way I'll guess. But as far as i know, and you confirm that, it's not really finished yet. And just as i do with Tropidolaemus I'll stick to the old names until all the research is done, everyone agrees with those new names and papers are written and in the open. Why? Well, i don't want to end up in a discussion in which i can't/will not defense/substantiate other people opinion until i know why they have that opinion in the first place. Like i said, I'm just a simple hobbyist   But don't worry, i will use the new names on this forum Jan | |
| | | | Mario Lutz
Lord of the Serpents
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Age : 56
Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
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Registration date : 2008-03-06
| | Subject: Re: Tropidolaemus wagleri subannulatus form (Sulawesi) Mon 7 Apr - 0:00 | |
| - Jan Koetze wrote:
- Don't get me wrong Mario, i also believe that Malhortra approach is better then the old approach. In the end the only correct way I'll guess. But as far as i know, and you confirm that, it's not really finished yet. And just as i do with Tropidolaemus I'll stick to the old names until all the research is done, everyone agrees with those new names and papers are written and in the open. Why? Well, i don't want to end up in a discussion in which i can't/will not defense/substantiate other people opinion until i know why they have that opinion in the first place. Like i said, I'm just a simple hobbyist
But don't worry, i will use the new names on this forum
Jan i dont get you wrong, not at all Jan! i really understand your problem with it - and please feel free to follow what ever you think is wright for you. you dont need to use names you dont accept only because it is my forum. lets clarify somethings: Anita Malhotra is sure finished with here work so far. what i meant was, you never be finished with a Revision of a whole group, thats not that easy. but it points into the right direction. thats what it is all about! by the way, the new classification is widely accepted - so far its nothing wrong in using the new names... cheers Mario | |
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