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Neven Vrbanic Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 132 Age : 51 Location : Zagreb, Croatia Points : 6311 Registration date : 2008-03-11
| Subject: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 3:09 | |
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Asbjørn Vohnsen Newbie
Number of posts : 15 Age : 39 Location : Sweden Points : 5744 Registration date : 2009-04-10
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 3:15 | |
| Awsome, grats.. How come that a few of the babies become scaleless? | |
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Neven Vrbanic Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 132 Age : 51 Location : Zagreb, Croatia Points : 6311 Registration date : 2008-03-11
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 5:09 | |
| To be honest, I do not know... I got my pair of Arietans from normal clutch back in 2004. so the parents and grandparents of these babies are normal. But every time my female gave birth there are a few scaleless babies among them. | |
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Ro vd Bergh Snakemaster
Number of posts : 290 Age : 48 Location : The Netherlands Points : 5563 Registration date : 2010-11-06
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 6:42 | |
| Congrats mate! That's a lot of youngsters!
Cheers, Ro. | |
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Rob Deans Snakemaster
Number of posts : 322 Age : 43 Location : South Africa Points : 6359 Registration date : 2008-04-24
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 14:15 | |
| Just out of curiosity, do scaleless snakes need specific care compared to regularly scaled snakes? IE Do they require lubricating, higher humidity, does cage decor need to be changed to accommodate a presumably more sensitive body? | |
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Peter Zürcher Admin
Number of posts : 1266 Age : 72 Location : Carinthia, Austria Points : 8321 Registration date : 2008-03-06
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 16:21 | |
| - Quote :
- How come that a few of the babies become scaleless?
I guess it's a recessive defect mutation, and both of the parents are heterozygous for that. I once had a litter of 44 - 11 of'em were scaleless - a coincidental exact splitting of scaleless and 66% het. scaleless. | |
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Rainer Fesser Systematicus
Number of posts : 565 Age : 74 Location : Austria Points : 6699 Registration date : 2008-03-13
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 17:16 | |
| Yes Peter, you are right, the parents are heterozygous (on one gene) for "scaleless". Hello Asbjorn, I know the origin of the parents, from that line you get scaleless babies by breeding certain specimens to certain others. The - statistical - ratio in such breeding is 25% scaleless (of course homozygous ones), 50% scaled but het. for scaleless and 25% scaled and homozygous for scaled.
Neven: a nice bunch of beautiful babies! As I know the parents, I would only expect very nice babies.
Regards,
Rainer | |
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Bostjan Kraner Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 568 Age : 45 Location : Maribor - Slovenia Points : 6112 Registration date : 2010-03-14
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Tue 23 Nov - 17:27 | |
| Nice clutch Neven. Congratulations. If you'll have some Scaleless to give away please let me know.
Regards, BKK | |
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Neven Vrbanic Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 132 Age : 51 Location : Zagreb, Croatia Points : 6311 Registration date : 2008-03-11
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Wed 24 Nov - 5:33 | |
| Thank you guys! Yes both Peter and Rainer are correct. And Peter I actually think that my parents came from your line of Arietans via mutual friend from Austria who got them from you. :-)
Rob, I usually just keep scaleless a bit more humid, especially during sheding time. Sometimes they would not shed if I did not give them enough humidity so I would soak an animal in plastic box and that shedding will be ok. That happened only once in a while. But as far as other aspects, everything else is similar. They grow normal, eat normal... Last year I sold a female that was 2 years old and about 40cm. My adult Arietans are around 70-80cm not more. | |
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Rob Deans Snakemaster
Number of posts : 322 Age : 43 Location : South Africa Points : 6359 Registration date : 2008-04-24
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Mon 29 Nov - 14:40 | |
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Marcel Van Heerden Newbie
Number of posts : 35 Age : 29 Location : South Africa Points : 5197 Registration date : 2010-10-19
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Wed 12 Jan - 22:45 | |
| How is shedding with the scaleless? Do they shed easily? or are there any difficulties? | |
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Bostjan Kraner Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 568 Age : 45 Location : Maribor - Slovenia Points : 6112 Registration date : 2010-03-14
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Thu 13 Jan - 3:49 | |
| Thanx also from me. Owesome snake and a pissy little one.
Regards, BKK | |
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Neven Vrbanic Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 132 Age : 51 Location : Zagreb, Croatia Points : 6311 Registration date : 2008-03-11
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Thu 13 Jan - 4:34 | |
| Scaleless do require to be kept a bit more humid, and at the time of shedding it is good to give them some misting. If you do that, they will shed without problems. | |
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Marcel Van Heerden Newbie
Number of posts : 35 Age : 29 Location : South Africa Points : 5197 Registration date : 2010-10-19
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Thu 13 Jan - 5:15 | |
| OK.. thanks for that info.. | |
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Mike Spencer Snakemaster
Number of posts : 386 Age : 39 Location : Northern California/Ft. Smith, Arkansas Points : 5697 Registration date : 2010-06-27
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Thu 13 Jan - 8:23 | |
| That's cool you got the scaleless without expecting any the first time around. It's an interesting anomaly for sure... | |
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Bostjan Kraner Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 568 Age : 45 Location : Maribor - Slovenia Points : 6112 Registration date : 2010-03-14
| Subject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans Fri 14 Jan - 2:44 | |
| - Mike Spencer wrote:
- That's cool you got the scaleless without expecting any the first time around. It's an interesting anomaly for sure...
As I know, Neven had Scaleless B.Arietans before that, but i might be wrong. Regards, BKK | |
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