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Bostjan Kraner
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PostSubject: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 2:55
This two males het for scaleless came to me from Neven couple of months ago. They have adapted very well to their new enviroment and they are feeding on defrost mice on every two weeks.

Male no.1
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Male no.2 A bit more brightly coloured than the first and stays most of the time buried underground.
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Can't wait to get a Scaleless female on Monday. Regards, BKK

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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 6:57
Nice bunch of puff adders you got there Borstjan.
Are they juveniels? Always difficult to see on photo's.
Do you know the locality?
Unbelievable how widespread this adder is, just shows how tuff they are.

greetings,
arjan
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Stephan Niemann
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 16:44
i feel with your comment jon , snakes should have scales .
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Jon Davidson
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 16:50
Thank you, Mr. Niemann. I deleted my first post, but It's good to know that others may agree, too. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 17:05
Bostijan please odnt understand my posting wrong , those are bautyfull specimen oyu got there.
but breding for scles snakes has a foul taste to me , sorry ,i know snakes with out scales is somehow a freak of mother nature and happends but should we endorse that by breeding more of em ?
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 18:59
Everyone can have an oppinion. Scaleless snakes are actually a freak of nature, maybe that is making them interesting. Otherwise this is just another mutation like Striped Bitis Arietans. I did not see Scaleless Puff Adder other than on pictures yet. As I understand those snakes still have belly scales. But they are fascinating to me. I don't plan to breed a lot of them in the future, maybe once. I wanted a Scaleless Bitis Arietans for a long time. Well Neven made my dream come true and Scaleless female is on the way. I plan to get also Scaleless Crotalus Atrox, Pantherophis Guttata and if I'm lucky, once also Scaleless Ball Python and Scaleless Death Adder. No offence, but they are really fascinating to me. Even though they look like from another world and a bit unnatural.

Regards, BKK
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 19:05
yes everyone has and should have his own opinion aobut this .
i never heard of scaleless python regius before
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 19:18
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As I understand those snakes still have belly scales.

No, they don't - at least not those i've bred.

And they can't be compared with a simple colour/pattern mutation like "striped" in my opinion.

As you said, everyone can have an opinion.
I think there must be good reasons for scales....
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Stephan Niemann
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 19:23
i have seen scaleless cornsnkes and atrox that did indeed have bellyscales but not all do and those that do have some , well there arent as mch scales as they normaly would have
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PostSubject: Re: Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09   Bitis Arietans Het Scaleless 09 Icon_minitimeSun 28 Nov - 19:31
Stephan Niemann wrote:
yes everyone has and should have his own opinion aobut this .
i never heard of scaleless python regius before

Scaleless Ball Python is new and still unprooven mutation. And won't be available probably for a long time. I saw pictures from only one specimen. This one is completly scaleless snake.
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