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 Hypo project - part III

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Christian Moisander
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PostSubject: Hypo project - part III   Hypo project - part III Icon_minitimeFri 18 Feb - 17:21

Been a bit busy, it's been ages since my last update.
Anyways, here's an update on the hypo project.

On Feb. 23rd I introduced the male CM081-01 to the hypo female CM05-1.
On March 2nd I observed copulation around midnight, and it continued on to March 3rd, noon.
On March 6th I removed the male from the female's terrarium.
On Nov. 10th the female finally gave birth.

For reason yet unknown to me, the result was disappointing.
The litter consisted of...

13 slugs
0.1 stillborn
1.2 kinked
0.1 killed in action
2.6 live ones

Later on, on Nov. 11th, Nov. 30th and Dec. 3rd three apparently healthy babies simply dropped dead.
So I'm currently down to 0.5 from this litter, and so far none of them strike me as anything super special. In fact, two of the females that were born, were darker than most from this line so far.
Naturally I still have some months of waiting ahead of me, to see how these girls will change color.

All in all, it will take more time to try different combos to see if even lighter variations can be produced from this hypo line.
The hypo female is now given a resting period, and I sure as hell hope she doesn't get gravid on her own again. That just throws off my plans. Again... Smile

Here are some photos then...

CM081-01
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CM05-1 (hypo)
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Few baby pics.

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Some mutants.

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It was extremely unfortunate that this male was so kinked it didn't make it. It would've been an absolute stunner as an adult, as it already had incredibly brilliant coloration. It does show the potential of this line though.
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Walter Silva
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PostSubject: Re: Hypo project - part III   Hypo project - part III Icon_minitimeSun 27 Mar - 9:35

Christian:

how long are the adults?? Thx

Greetings from Incas´Land
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Jon Davidson
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PostSubject: Re: Hypo project - part III   Hypo project - part III Icon_minitimeSun 27 Mar - 10:46

Christian Moisander wrote:

The litter consisted of...

13 slugs
0.1 stillborn
1.2 kinked
0.1 killed in action
2.6 live ones

'Later on, on Nov. 11th, Nov. 30th and Dec. 3rd three apparently healthy babies simply dropped dead'.
Any ideas on why your captive produced 'Burning Angel' /'Hypo' colour morph breeding project produces such a high percentage of abnormal offspring? I'm sure that the less experienced keepers here on the site would appreciate your insights. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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Gustav Eloy
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PostSubject: Re: Hypo project - part III   Hypo project - part III Icon_minitimeMon 4 Apr - 12:00

Hello, I´ve never breed this snakes, but ´something that can explain what happend is because of the genetic disorders that happes when you breed hypos and albinos or anything else with a "morph" all morph creatures have a lot of mutations, "weak genes" and problems.
When breeding there is always a risk of something going wrong but when you breed geneticaly anormal snakes the chanc of getting mutations are biger than breeding nominals.

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Christian Moisander
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PostSubject: Re: Hypo project - part III   Hypo project - part III Icon_minitimeTue 12 Apr - 5:02

Hi all.

Walter, my adult females are in the range of 80-90cm, roughly. Adult males maybe 50cm, give or take some. I really haven't tried to measure any of them. Might try to get a better estimate next time I'm taking one out of the enclosure.

Jon, I believe one possibility is as Gustav described. Other potential reasons I can think of for the above results are:

* The male didn't mate the female properly
* His sperm wasn't viable
* Maybe more matings would've been required
* Possibly this was another attempt on the female's part to produce offspring from previous matings
* She had time to recover from previous litter - which was her own doing, no male - and she was well fed, but perhaps she could've used a longer recovery period (with T. puniceus, I'm doubtful about that, though)
* Maybe the hottest period in the summer was indeed a bit too much for her

Those are the ones off the top of my head. At least for now. I'll add to the list if I think of anything else when I'm less tired.

Oh and by the way, for the time being, there's no Burning Angel - morph; that's just a nick I use at some other forums, including my photobucket account. Not sure where you picked that up Smile
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