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 Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding

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Gustav Eloy
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PostSubject: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeFri 20 Jan - 18:06

Hello everyone currently we have one southern copperhead (A. contortrix contortrix) and a friend is offering me a female but looks like a broad banded copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix laticinctus) here are the pics of the female that is for sale

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Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Photo_11

the question here is
first is this a A. c. laticinctus?? and what is your opinion on try to breeding this 2??
should I stick to southern with southern and broadband with broadband??

opinions pleas thanks in advance.

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Rainer Fesser
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PostSubject: Re: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeFri 20 Jan - 20:00

Hello Gustav,

this is obviously not A. c. contortrix You may be right about laticinctus, if you can post a photo of the sides or belly of this specimen it can be confirmed whether it is one or a A. c. pictigaster or some hybrid between these 2.

No matter what it is, I would not breed it to your A. c. c. (sounds like you are sure about the ssp.).

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Rainer
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Gustav Eloy
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PostSubject: Re: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeSat 21 Jan - 5:30

Thank you very much for the answer, unfortunately this are the only pics that the seller sent to me, and yes I`m sure mine is a southern here are some pictures.

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so it is not recommended to cross breed this 2 subspecies? or any other??
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Rainer Fesser
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PostSubject: Re: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeSun 22 Jan - 1:09

Hello Gustav,

first the answer to your question: I would not crossbreed different subspecies of any species.

From your photos I would say you have a Northern Copperhead (A. contortrix mokasen) but sometimes A.c.c. and A.c. mok. are difficult to distinguish.

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Rainer
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Alexander Nevgloski
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PostSubject: Re: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeSun 22 Jan - 4:43

I would say the first pictures are more than likely laticinctus, and that the last pictures show a Southern copperhead, but I agree with everything Rainer has said. I am a firm believer in NOT crossing subspecies'.
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Gustav Eloy
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PostSubject: Re: Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding   Agkistrodon contortrix sspp. crossbreeding Icon_minitimeThu 26 Jan - 6:25

I understand, and personally I don´t like crossbreeding neither.
thank you very much for your answers aprecciated.

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