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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| Subject: Some pics of my hots  Fri 9 Mar - 5:43 | |
| Today friend of mine visited me at my home and we took some pictures of my hots. Hope you like it. Vipera ammodytes male  Atheris squamigera female  The same female some weeks ago after shed  Crotalus atrox female  Cryptelytrops albolabris female  Naja siamensis male  | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sun 10 Jun - 20:57 | |
| Cerastes cerastes female  Atheris squamigera male  Agkistrodon contortrix contortrix female  Vipera ammodytes meridionalis male  | |
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Fabian Dirks
Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 766
Age : 42
Location : Germany
Points : 6733
Registration date : 2009-01-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Mon 11 Jun - 0:37 | |
| Well,
my favourite are your Atheris | |
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Piero Moroni
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 261
Location : Groningen (NL)
Points : 4743
Registration date : 2012-04-12
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 12 Jun - 0:25 | |
| Waouwww, they are as beautiful as the other one and what quality of photos. My favorite is the Cryptelytrops albolabris  Congratulations ! | |
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Gustav Eloy
Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 662
Age : 37
Location : Aguascalientes, Mexico
Points : 5921
Registration date : 2010-09-09
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 12 Jun - 5:34 | |
| nice collection sr, really like them all. by the way do you have pics of its cages??
regards | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Wed 13 Jun - 1:18 | |
| Glad that you like them, thanks. Well here are some of the terrariums. Atheris squamigera  Vipera ammodytes meridionalis  Crotalus atrox  Naja siamensis  Cryptelytrops albolabris  Agkistrodon contortrix contortrix  | |
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Piero Moroni
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 261
Location : Groningen (NL)
Points : 4743
Registration date : 2012-04-12
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Wed 13 Jun - 1:25 | |
| Hi Albert ;
In addition to being gifted in photography you are gifted in terrarium decorations and fittings, they are splendid !
Best... | |
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Lee Reeve
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 52
Age : 44
Location : Hull
Points : 4676
Registration date : 2012-04-29
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 23 Jun - 3:47 | |
| I love the set-ups. Nothing better than a naturalistic viv. | |
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Nigel Sowter
Snakemaster
Number of posts : 406
Age : 60
Location : Australia
Points : 5607
Registration date : 2010-11-29
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Fri 6 Jul - 21:29 | |
| - Lee Reeve wrote:
- I love the set-ups. Nothing better than a naturalistic viv.
Have to agree & the animals look great, well done. | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 11 Sep - 5:43 | |
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Franz Schönen
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 101
Age : 60
Location : Dortmund
Points : 4498
Registration date : 2012-08-20
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 11 Sep - 8:27 | |
| - Albert Gracer wrote:
- Today I got my long-awaited pair (I hope so) of Echis carinatus sochureki and I could not resist to photograph them
 and ... you had good reason to take these photos. Gorgeous !  | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Thu 13 Sep - 19:29 | |
| Can anyone here tell me from this picture for sure if it is a pair of Echis carinatus sochureki? I was thinking that on the left side could be a male, because of its smaller head and it is not so heavy builded and it is a bit smaller. Their tails are by their size now pretty much in the same length. Both are good eaters. Please correct me if I'm wrong.  | |
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Rainer Fesser
Systematicus
Number of posts : 565
Age : 74
Location : Austria
Points : 6699
Registration date : 2008-03-13
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Thu 13 Sep - 20:28 | |
| Hello Albert,
From this view they both look like females to me. They look like juveniles/semiadults which makes it more difficult too. Probing would make you sure.
With a photo from underneath it would be easier, and you can do scale-counts (SC) from underneath more easily which may tell you their sex too but not with absolute certainty.
Regards,
Rainer | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Fri 14 Sep - 3:38 | |
| Hi Rainer, Thanks for the reply, I think you're right. Today I photograph them from underneath and do the scale-count from the neck to the tail several times by both. The smaller one has them about 168 and the bigger one about 170. Then I was trying to find any information on ventral scales for this subspecies but I had no success. The only reliable information is that the males have much longer tail than the females, what is not in this case. Both animals were send to me as a pair from this year. Now I have to find a real male who will be glad of these two girls  Here are some pics from the underneath Smaller one  Bigger one  | |
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Rainer Fesser
Systematicus
Number of posts : 565
Age : 74
Location : Austria
Points : 6699
Registration date : 2008-03-13
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Fri 14 Sep - 4:12 | |
| Hi Albert,
the shape of the tails also looks like females´tails but the count of the subcaudalia is 21-22 in the smaller and over 25 in the bigger specimen as far as I can count them from your photos. The difference between these two counts can mean that you have a pair. Can you tube and probe them? Maybe you can make photos of the tails or the original photos have a better resolution than the compressed ones on Venomland and you can make an exact count.
The SC-count usually tells you more than the ventralia as the numbers have less overlapping. 168 versus 170 is almost no difference but these numbers may be in the overlapping-zone.
Best regards,
Rainer | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Fri 14 Sep - 6:00 | |
| Hi Rainer, From the pictures above I did a cut of their tails for a better view and by both I count about 29 subcaudalia so I guess that does not make sense to probe them. Btw. thanks for your help, I appreciate it. Here are the pics... Smaller female  Bigger female  | |
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Rainer Fesser
Systematicus
Number of posts : 565
Age : 74
Location : Austria
Points : 6699
Registration date : 2008-03-13
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Fri 14 Sep - 16:48 | |
| Hi Albert,
you´re right. 29 in both means both probably are the same sex and the tails´shapes are typical for females.
I magnified your first photos but the resolution was so weak that the I couldn´t count the subcaudal scales properly.
I wonder why none of the forum-members that keep (and maybe breed) Echis posted an answer.????
I wish you luck in finding a suitable male soon,
Rainer | |
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Erin Thacker
Number of posts : 2
Age : 32
Location : Huntsville, Alabama, United States
Points : 4460
Registration date : 2012-09-13
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 15 Sep - 2:22 | |
| Sorry, I can't help with the identification, but those are some truly gorgeous animals! I haven't seen many of those species before, but A. contorix is a very familiar sight where I live, and that is a very accurate habitat for one! I believe that those Atheris have to be one of my new favorite snakes. Amazing work! | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 18 Sep - 3:37 | |
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Gustav Eloy
Serpent Chief
Number of posts : 662
Age : 37
Location : Aguascalientes, Mexico
Points : 5921
Registration date : 2010-09-09
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Tue 18 Sep - 4:24 | |
| very nice very nice snakes and cages man great job, thanks for the pics keep posting | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 22 Sep - 1:30 | |
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mark craddock
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 64
Age : 60
Location : england
Points : 5852
Registration date : 2009-02-20
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 22 Sep - 5:59 | |
| These are very good babies. Albert, they are both female for sure. The males have longer tails and a different shaped head. | |
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Albert Gracer
Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 239
Age : 46
Location : Slovenia
Points : 5139
Registration date : 2011-11-07
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 1 Dec - 5:54 | |
| Botriechis schlegelii   Sistrurus miliarius streckeri  Sistrurus miliarius barbouri  Trimeresurus puniceus  | |
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Kimberly Urban
Newbie
Number of posts : 24
Age : 41
Location : Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Points : 4592
Registration date : 2012-06-05
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 1 Dec - 6:05 | |
| Wow, you have an awesome collection! I especially love the Echis....I really want to own these someday. | |
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Nojus Simoliunas
Snakekeeper
Number of posts : 79
Age : 26
Location : Lithuania, Panevezys
Points : 4559
Registration date : 2012-08-16
| | Subject: Re: Some pics of my hots Sat 1 Dec - 22:57 | |
| Very nice colection. I'm white envy | |
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