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Kimberly Urban
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PostSubject: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeWed 28 Nov - 4:16

I love these guys- they are some of the most curious, active vipers I've worked with. Their colors are really starting to come in, and they get more beautiful with each shed. Penny and Rusty are also great eaters and grow nice and quickly. I'm hoping to breed this pair eventually, as they are unrelated CBB snakes. I am honestly not sure if they are 2012 or 2011...I got them from a friend this past spring, but they are about 10-11 inches long at the moment.

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Rusty when he first came:
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PostSubject: Re: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeWed 28 Nov - 8:34

congratulations copers are fantastic snakes to work with with out mention that t hey are beautiful, keep updating
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PostSubject: Re: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeWed 28 Nov - 17:21

Are you sure these are Agkistrodon c. contortrix?
Looks more like mokasen to me.
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PostSubject: Re: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeWed 28 Nov - 23:59

Peter, they were sold to me as Southern copperheads. Here in PA, Northern copperheads cannot be sold or traded, as they are a native species. We can own the other subspecies though, and people do catch Northerns to keep, but I'm not aware of any being sold at the local shows, so I'd imagine these would have to be the Southerns (c. contotrix).

Is there a way to be sure?
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PostSubject: Re: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeThu 29 Nov - 3:11

Well, that's a curious law in my opinion. First of all, we still are talking about subspecies, and these are not always that easy to identify for specialists, so I'm asking myself how your authorities will.
Subspecies of Agkistrodon contortrix unluckily have been mixed in many collections and by many "breeders" - aditionally we have natural mixing due to broad intergradation zones in some subspecies.
I'm keeping both subspecies, contortrix and mokasen, and yours are more on the mokasen-side in my opinion.
See here pictures of A. c. mokasen:
http://www.venomland.net/t1113-agkistrodon-contortrix-mokasen#44111
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PostSubject: Re: My Agkistrodon c. contortrix   My Agkistrodon c. contortrix Icon_minitimeFri 30 Nov - 0:32

We have the following law stating that it's illegal to hunt or possess more than one Northern copperhead per calendar year from the wild. I bought these from a friend who also lived in PA, and really didn't think anything of it, since they were sold as Southern copperheads. I am going to contact my friend and ask him to look for any receipts or paperwork he got with them stating they are Southern, just in case.
I don't think I'd get in trouble, but I prefer to have everything in place and documented to be safe.
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