Ophiophagus bite

Just wishing richard mastenbroek a speedy recovery after ophiophagus bite today in Holland. .last report from himself in hospital was swelling is getting less but the pain is still present..

Was Mr. Mastenbroek bitten in the face...? Just wondering(Please refer to: http://www.venomland.net/t3831-thoughts-about-handling). Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

As far as i know he was bitten on the hand (details are from richards fb page)

Stuart McGregor wrote:: As far as i know he was bitten on the hand (details are from richards fb page)

Can't image how that might have happened....(Please refer to: http://www.venomland.net/t2767-a-friend-came-around-and-took-some-pictures#18084) . Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

I dont know richard personnally or how he feels towards his handling techniques. etc,,I just wish him well and a speedy recovery,,,as i would with any bite victim..

regards stuart

Stuart McGregor wrote:: 'I dont know richard personnally or how he feels towards his handling techniques. etc'

Perhaps Mr. Mastenbroek feels differently now about his handling techniques...? Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Regarding his free handling pictures and -videos and thinking it might be only a matter of time until he gets bitten is one side of the story.
On the other hand, we do not have clear informations about the circumstances of this bite....
I'm with Stuart, wishing him a complete recovery, because of two reasons. First: human fairness, second: this incidence coming to a good end could be from interest to all of us.

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Some will never learn ..

Guenter Leitenbauer wrote:: Some will never learn ..

i agree with you....
i can't understand some people.

regards Manni

Peter Zürcher wrote:: '...we do not have clear informations about the circumstances of this bite....'

Perhaps not... although the photograph in the accompanying link may provide a clue as to how this bite occurred. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Well, Mr, Davidson, at least i would be very uncomfortable with seeing such a report illustrated by a freehandling picture in the newspapers.

I can't help but feel Mr. Davidson feels happy about the incident. All that's missing is a smug "see, I told you so"...
Be a man and take your handling issues to the person in question and stop pouring fuel for the fire while the person you're criticizing is hospitalized.

Everyone fears for this hobby to be taken away, yeah, I get it. The whole shouldn't be judged by parts of it, but with the press and various morons against us...

I didn't understand the original article, but I couldn't find info elsewhere that this was a free-handling mistake. Therefore, I find suggestions in that fashion to be in bad taste.
For all I know, it might've been a 'legitimate' accident. They do happen, you know.

And no, I don't know the person bitten and am not his friend.

Quote :: but I couldn't find info elsewhere that this was a free-handling mistake. Therefore, I find suggestions in that fashion to be in bad taste.

....as well as your suggestion that Mr. Davidson might feel happy about this accident. I didn't partipicate on these suggestions (if they are are any at all), but i have to tell you that freehandlers who are well known all around the www with their silly pictures and videos should be ready to live with "suggestions" in case of an accident.

Quote :: and stop pouring fuel for the fire

What fire? There will not be "a fire" here at all!

Christian Moisander wrote:: I can't help but feel Mr. Davidson feels happy about the incident. All that's missing is a smug "see, I told you so"...
Be a man and take your handling issues to the person in question and stop pouring fuel for the fire while the person you're criticizing is hospitalized.

If the bite was a result of free handling, then surely a comment on Mr Mastenbroeks handling technique is perfectly valid?

Looking through the links provided in this thread - as well as those of the linked threads - Mr Davidson has clearly questioned Mr Mastenbroeks handling technique on numerous occasions, making me believe it's not an attack on the man himself, but one on free handling venomous snakes.

Jon Davidson wrote:: Was Mr. Mastenbroek bitten in the face...? Just wondering(Please refer to: http://www.venomland.net/t3831-thoughts-about-handling). Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

No matter how you feel about a person, or about the way he works his animals, but I really think you're way out of line here.

Wishing someone dead,(not exactly in those words, but there's an awfull lot of info between the lines.) is one of the lowest and most sad things someone can do, and tells a lot of that person itself, and (for what I think) the way someone was raised.
Or do you have some mental disfunction, that makes you say retarded things like this?

And I don't give a reaction to defend Richard, because he's man enough to solve his own things... Wink

Nope.... just wanted to let YOU know what an ******* you are. Very Happy

(BTW.... he was not bitten because of 'doing tricks', but because he was about to clean the waterbowl, something WE ALL HAVE TO DO TIME TO TIME, and if you had done your 'homework' properly, you would look less stupid right now.
Because now your accusations are 'grabbed from the sky', powered by your personal hate against one, not giving new facts, and based only on old material from the past, and your (sad) personal opinion.)

Grtzz. Vinc.

Vincent Troost wrote:: Wishing someone dead,(not exactly in those words, but there's an awfull lot of info between the lines.) is one of the lowest and most sad things someone can do, and tells a lot of that person itself, and (for what I think) the way someone was raised.
Or do you have some mental disfunction, that makes you say retarded things like this?

Nope.... just wanted to let YOU know what an ******* you are.

Grtzz. Vinc.

Not the best things we can read in these moments.
Keep gentle men...

I do not agree with free handling, i do agree with the fact that this can be an accident like everybody can have.

I sincerely wish a good recovery to Richard, and i sincerely wish that this topic will stay respectful toward everybody

Thanks

I hope he recovers well.

But Mr Troost I assume that you were there when Richard was bitten? I wouldn't think he would admit to being bitten whilst free handling as everyone knows its a stupid and irresponsible thing to do.

So even if he was free handling in the macho style he does, and got bitten, I doubt greatly he would admit that.

But I hope he is ok nevertheless.

Vincent Troost wrote:: No matter how you feel about a person, or about the way he works his animals, but I really think you're way out of line here.

Wishing someone dead,(not exactly in those words, but there's an awfull lot of info between the lines.) is one of the lowest and most sad things someone can do, and tells a lot of that person itself, and (for what I think) the way someone was raised.
Or do you have some mental disfunction, that makes you say retarded things like this?

And I don't give a reaction to defend Richard, because he's man enough to solve his own things...

Nope.... just wanted to let YOU know what an ******* you are.

(BTW.... he was not bitten because of 'doing tricks', but because he was about to clean the waterbowl, something WE ALL HAVE TO DO TIME TO TIME, and if you had done your 'homework' properly, you would look less stupid right now.
Because now your accusations are 'grabbed from the sky', powered by your personal hate against one, not giving new facts, and based only on old material from the past, and your (sad) personal opinion.)

Grtzz. Vinc.

Hmmm.... 'mental disfunction'? ; '*******'? ; 'stupid'? ; 'personal hate'?... Clearly you have strong feelings about this incident, Mr. Troost; but your instant ejaculation of emotion stands in strong contrast to my calm and reasonable questions to Mr. Mastenbroek about his conduct with his live venomous snakes( Please review the links provided in this Thread, as required). Mr. Mastenbroek's response to my inquiries- both publicly on Facebook and privately via PM's are also equally illuminating. I'll let the VL membership decide for themselves who has a 'mental disfunction'... And by the way, at no time -ever- have I wished that someone was dead. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Thanks for your calm reaction, Mr. Davidson, Mr. Vincent Troost has surely overacted here.

And Vincent, I would say that asking if Mr. Mastenbroek has been bitten in the face may look a bit provocative, but does in no way mean wishing his death. If you have seen some of Mr. Mastenbroeks pictures showing him holding elapids within striking distance right in front of his head such a question isn't that farfetched.

As i already said, before starting to freehandle venomous snakes in public, one should be ready to handle critism.

Hm. Of note would be bite location, if that information is ever made public.

I hope he heals up well and promptly.

I would not wish fatality on anyone, even Raymond Hoser.

The wisdom of Solon would encourage empathy, if not sympathy.

I know Richard personally and I would like to wish him a speedy recovery.
My heart goes out to anyone who is bitten... it is never nice to hear something like this has happened to a member of the venomous community, even less so when you know them.
I took the phone call when my old friend Luke Yeomans was bit.... that was a terrible day for me and the whole venomous community.... please stay safe out there people.

Paul Rowley wrote:: I know Richard personally and I would like to wish him a speedy recovery.
My heart goes out to anyone who is bitten... it is never nice to hear something like this has happened to a member of the venomous community, even less so when you know them.
I took the phone call when my old friend Luke Yeomans was bit.... that was a terrible day for me and the whole venomous community.... please stay safe out there people.

I would like to exclude myself from the: ' whole venomous community' if the conduct of Mr. Yeoman and Mr. Mastenbroek with their live venomous snakes is to be in anyway condoned. The kind of lethal buffoonery demonstrated by Mr. 'Kiss of Death' Yeoman speaks for itself( Hey everybody... Watch me kiss a live cobra on the head... ZAP ! un oh, Plunk!). Please refer to: http://www.venomland.net/t4315-another-snake-bite-in-europe and: http://www.venomland.net/t4318-snake-researchers-untimely-demise . The 'whole community' of private venomous snake keepers should indeed be focused on how to 'stay safe out there' rather than offering even a tacit support of the of the kind of wrong, stupid and dangerous behaviour that we see from profoundly immature individuals every now and again. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Jon, I would never condone the free-handling of venomous snakes. I'm not a private keeper, rather I am a professional herpetologist working for a venom research unit and as such I have a duty towards my employer to work in an appropriately safe manner. I don't know the circumstances of Richard's bite but I am familiar with Luke's case.... he was bitten on the upper arm above the hexarmour glove which indicates that he was at least taking some precautions at the time... and unlike some reckless free-handlers he did at least have his own stocks of antivenom.

What I really wanted to get across earlier is that I hope Richard recovers quickly.... I wouldn't wish a venomous bite on anyone regardless of how or why it happened.

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Paul Rowley wrote:: 'Jon, I would never condone the free-handling of venomous snakes'......'I don't know the circumstances of Richard's bite but I am familiar with Luke's case.... he was bitten on the upper arm above the hexarmour glove which indicates that he was at least taking some precautions at the time... and unlike some reckless free-handlers he did at least have his own stocks of antivenom'.

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Taking precautions for what reasons...? What was he doing? Was Mr. Yeoman attempting to peform his trademark "Kiss of Death' stunt? What was the purpose of the activity that required gloves and anti-venom? Could it be just ego driven behaviour in an attempt to convince one's self that they are: 'tough'; 'smart'; 'important'; 'brave'; 'special or have special powers'...? Why would a reasonable and legitimate private venomous snake owner ever- under any circumstances- kiss a live venomous snake on the head or pick up and hold a live venomous snake with their bare hands and then hold it mere inches from their face? Not only that- but to engage in that kind of conduct on an seemingly ongoing and continuous basis...? What is the purpose of that kind of behaviour? That kind of circus side show 'snake expert' buffonery is, in my view, degrading to the snakes and demeaning and damaging- both in the public consciousness- and to the individuals of the community of legitimate and responsible private venomous snake owners. I'm certain that you understand my point of view. I know others can. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Quote :: Taking precautions for what reasons...? What was he doing? What was the purpose of the activity that required gloves and anti-venom? Could it be just ego driven behaviour in an attempt to convince one's self that they are: 'tough'; 'important'; 'brave'; 'special or have special powers'...? Why would a reasonable and legitimate private venomous snake owner ever- under any circumstances- kiss a live venomous snake on the head or pick up and hold a live venomous snake with their bare hands and then hold it mere inches from their face? Not only that- but to engage in that kind of conduct on an seemingly ongoing and continuous basis...? What is the purpose of that kind of behaviour? That kind of circus side show 'snake expert' buffonery is, in my view, degrading to the snakes and demeaning and damaging- both in the public conscinous- and to the individuals of the community of legitimate and responsible private venomous snake owners. I certain that you understand my point of view. I know others can. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Luke wore the gloves to protect himself from bites. He obtained his own stocks of antivenom because he knew just how dangerous these snakes could be and he knew that the nearest "official" antiventom stocks where in Liverpool around an hours drive away. Yes, he took risks ...... but that was Luke..... what a lot of people may not realise is that Luke was at the time of that fatal bite already terminally ill with cancer... he only had a weeks to live. I know he didn't want to die from a snake-bite..... as I keep saying, I have empathy for anyone who is bitten, regardless of the circumstances.

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