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PostSubject: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSat 9 Nov - 1:33

Looking to get a vision cage and want to make sure its ideal to house an adult n. kaouthia. Unsure of the size I need. Suggestions appreciated. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeThu 14 Nov - 12:28

A Vision cage would be an option, although I wouldn't exactly call it ideal for housing N. kaouthia. Vision cages are easy to find used (and thus are relatively cheap), stackable, and pretty durable, making them a suitable option for a number of taxa. The downsides to using Vision cages include the presence of an inward lip that serves as both litter guard and anchor point for the lower track of the sliding glass doors. Snakes love hiding underneath that lip (or on top of it, in the case of the upper lip), making them at times quite difficult to see. The other potential problem that I have repeatedly seen when using those cages is the fact that they have tendency to sag when you are stacking several units that include cage furniture and/or heavy animals.

If you have your heart set on using a Vision cage, then I would opt for one of their 48" units, at a minimum. The V400 model (48"x26"x14") would be doable, although I would favor an enclosure that offers more height (such as model V422: 48"x28"x18") to make servicing that enclosure both easier and safer.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeFri 15 Nov - 0:14

Thanks for the reply! I really want a cage with sliding glass doors. I am familiar with the boaphileplastics 4fr cages and I'm pretty happy with them so far. They hold the heat and humidity well but just don't have sliding glass doors. The closest thing I could find are the animal plastics cages. I'm still at least a year away from needing a big cage since my cobras are just yearlings so I have time to look for more feedback. Thanks again.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeFri 15 Nov - 17:45

Build it yourself.. Easy, cheap and ready in a few hours..
https://www.google.nl/search?q=betonplex+terrarium&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-N6FUu2NOLSg0wWZyYGADg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=775
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeFri 15 Nov - 17:59

It's just a matter of what you want - just caging snakes or enjoying them and watching their impressive behavior in a Terrarium large enough to allow them to show their full beauty.
I would never keep an adult Naja Kaouthia or any other species about the same size in a cage 18 inch (or 46 cm) high.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSat 16 Nov - 3:38

Jon Hurdle wrote:
I really want a cage with sliding glass doors. I am familiar with the boaphileplastics 4fr cages and I'm pretty happy with them so far. They hold the heat and humidity well but just don't have sliding glass doors. The closest thing I could find are the animal plastics cages.
AP cages are an excellent choice, and are probably one of the best values for a commercial enclosure. I've had some of their larger units since they first started marketing them, and they have performed flawlessly. They hold both heat and humidity well, are light in weight, yet are structurally strong and robust, and can be ordered with lighting and heat sources already installed, if necessary. Their customer service is also one of the best in the industry, which can make a tremendous difference when you're spending your hard-earned dime with them.

As far as the sizing (and specifically the cage height that was addressed by Peter) is concerned, I certainly agree that larger is usually (though not always) better, especially for active elapids. Ultimately, it is important to meet the health and welfare requirements of the animals, as well as the safety requirements of the keeper. Whether or not you then decide to make that enclosure appealing for yourself--be that by making it larger and/or more naturalistic then it needs to be in order to meet the health & safety requirements--is probably of secondary importance and can be accommodated to fit the individual keeper's desires and/or constraints.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeFri 25 Apr - 8:40

What is Betonplex? anything similar in the US?
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeFri 25 Apr - 16:29

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=betonplex
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSat 26 Apr - 1:02

Michiel Kooiman wrote:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=betonplex

Thanks for the help there Mich  Rolling Eyes 

You must have missed the part where I asked if there was a similar product in the USA. I googled it myself well before I asked the question here. There's not much information on it in English either.

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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSat 26 Apr - 1:16

and posting searching animations with words like "let me google that for you" and "has that been that difficult ?" is definitely not the style i want to see here.

Everyone should feel free to answer questions - or not. If you decide to answer, please use a way which does not let the questioner look like a fool!

Thank you

@Trey
"Betonplex" seems to be a dutch brand of "Siebdruckplatten - i cannot find a real translation in english.
Another brand is "Multiplex" - or this one here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plywood

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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSun 27 Apr - 11:05

Thank you Peter. Much obliged sir.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeSun 27 Apr - 21:12

Betonplex is a water resistant (glued) multiplex.. easy as that. Don't know if they have it in other countries.. it is used for boxing of concrete.

LMGTFY is a funny way to forward people to google. It is used all over the internet with no bad intention. Let's grant everyone to keep there own style.. We don't need to have the same style. I can't help that you are not familiar with that google link and it would help to have faith in the good intention of people before judging..

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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeMon 28 Apr - 23:28

LMGTFY is a condescending way of handling a question. Any half witted moron knows how to use google, and would likely do so before asking a question.

It is commonly used "all over the internet," and it is no secret that it is used to discredit the question asker's intelligence and ability to research. If that was not your intention, fine. But now, for future reference you know.
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PostSubject: Re: N. kaouthia caging   N. kaouthia caging Icon_minitimeTue 29 Apr - 5:28

Well then.. it is probably up to the person to feel offended or just laugh about it.
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