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Derek Morgan Snakemaster
Number of posts : 410 Age : 53 Location : North Carolina, USA Points : 6214 Registration date : 2008-05-13
| Subject: Squam babies born Tue 2 Dec - 1:04 | |
| My blackish female dropped some babies over the weekend. At 9AM she had three out, at noon four were out, and by 3:00 she had five. It's her first litter, so it's rather small. I got one gray and cream, one yellow/gray/green, and the other three are red/orange/yellow mix. They all have some kind of black flecking in them (which usually means nothing and disappears with age), so I will hold them for a while to see what they do color-wise. Mom was red and yellow banded for a year until she started showing the black coming in. I took some individual photos and they came out pretty nice. Yellow/green Gray/cream Yellow/orange Orange Orange/red The last three looked pretty much identical after birth, so they are already changing in color some and the rest of their skin came off. They were born shedding, so they have already fed. These are F3 babies and they should all be tremendous eaters. I think feeding in babies is somewhat of a genetic factor, or it seems to be here anyway. | |
| | | Andrew Hacket Snakemaster
Number of posts : 448 Age : 45 Location : South Africa Points : 6386 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Tue 2 Dec - 23:55 | |
| I cant believe it !!! What a site !! hey excuse my excitement if I overlooked the answer but what does dad look like?
Congratulations once again!! | |
| | | Andrew Hacket Snakemaster
Number of posts : 448 Age : 45 Location : South Africa Points : 6386 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Tue 2 Dec - 23:57 | |
| So your saying mom had no black at all and was yellow then went black after many years ? Ive never heard of that before , that's incredible ! so some of these babies may turn black ? | |
| | | Derek Morgan Snakemaster
Number of posts : 410 Age : 53 Location : North Carolina, USA Points : 6214 Registration date : 2008-05-13
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Wed 3 Dec - 0:26 | |
| Thanks Andrew! Yes, mom has gone through a dramatic color change that took almost two years to complete. I hope you're really interested in this because here goes..... Birth (she's on the far right): Approximately 3 months: Approximately 6 months: Approximately 1 year: Adult, at an angle where you can still see the underlying red and yellow bands: Another angle where she looks more black: So, yes, the babies could absolutely do something weird like she did. The reddest baby has the most black in it, so he's the one to watch right now, but the gray one could be interesting, too. I threw everything at this girl this year but the kitchen sink, so I am not 100% sure who papa is. Timing-wise, I think the blue male got her, though: | |
| | | Andrew Hacket Snakemaster
Number of posts : 448 Age : 45 Location : South Africa Points : 6386 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Wed 3 Dec - 1:33 | |
| Jeez , sounds like you were running an Atheris Whore House there !! That's such a bizarre color change though, the m.viridis of the venomous world. Thanks for the extra pictures , most enjoyed.
Mine are together at the moment will share some pics of the paired up couple... | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Thu 4 Dec - 1:49 | |
| congrats,looks very good and indeed interesting to see how the female shifted color,is indeed very big diffrence |
| | | Stefan Thomson Snakecharmer
Number of posts : 178 Age : 41 Location : Finland Points : 6026 Registration date : 2008-08-25
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Thu 4 Dec - 13:57 | |
| Congratz and the mom really is a looker. The colour-change information with pictures is very interesting, i don´t remember reading about such before (or then i´m just too tired atm). Let´s hope that atleast someone turns blackish or some off that offspring get´s nice colours on the way towards adulthood | |
| | | Andrew Hacket Snakemaster
Number of posts : 448 Age : 45 Location : South Africa Points : 6386 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Thu 4 Dec - 19:21 | |
| Here's the two I have together ...... and a picture of one of Gavin's animals that look like yours did at three months , See they both have that thin red banding on an orange base , interesting.
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| | | Derek Morgan Snakemaster
Number of posts : 410 Age : 53 Location : North Carolina, USA Points : 6214 Registration date : 2008-05-13
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Thu 4 Dec - 20:14 | |
| Thanks Dave and Stefan. I have seen one other color change that was more dramatic than this one. I bought a green baby once that was totally unremarkable and she turned into a yellow adult that had dark purple bands. She was quite amazing and maybe the nicest squam I've ever had, but incredibly difficult to photograph, plus that was 10 years ago and I was a pretty crummy photographer (still am).
Those are really nice Andrew! It's been a while since I've seen a light blue male like that one that's in with the red and orange female. Does he stay that color or does he vary between blue and greenish blue? And Gavin's little monster is sweet, too! | |
| | | Christian Moisander Snakemaster
Number of posts : 404 Age : 48 Location : Finland Points : 6298 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Mon 15 Dec - 8:20 | |
| Congrats on the litter, Derek. It was about freakin' time! More of these, please... | |
| | | Derek Morgan Snakemaster
Number of posts : 410 Age : 53 Location : North Carolina, USA Points : 6214 Registration date : 2008-05-13
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Tue 16 Dec - 23:29 | |
| Thanks man! I'm working on some more babies, but the females don't respond well when you try to squeeze the babies out of them! | |
| | | Christian Moisander Snakemaster
Number of posts : 404 Age : 48 Location : Finland Points : 6298 Registration date : 2008-04-27
| Subject: Re: Squam babies born Fri 19 Dec - 7:28 | |
| Sure I'm positive they don't appreciate too much squeezing. Something I've wanted to do on several occasions... | |
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