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 Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix

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Hannes v Rooyen
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PostSubject: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 3:46
Greetings from South Africa.

Please help to id my female. I bought her as A. c. contortrix (Southern Copperhead). Would like to start breeding with her, and find the right male for her. A friend told me she wasn't a A. c. contortrix.

Hope the pics will help.

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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:13
Hello Hannes,

that is surely not A. c. contortrix. I am quite sure it is a A. cont. pictigaster.
The dark, light bordered spots coming up from the belly (well expressed in this specimen) within the dark bands are typical for pictigaster (Trans Pecos Copperhead) but the animal may also come from where the ranges of laticinctus and pictigaster overlap or it may be a captive-bred hybrid of these two subspecies.

Anyway, a nice animal.
I wish you luck in finding a partner for her.

Rainer
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:27
Thanks Rainer.

What would you suggest as a male - laticinctus or pictigaster?

I do believe that inbreeding could have taken place, but would really like to keep her offspring as pure as possible.

Her colors is a bit dull now as she is about to shed.

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Hannes
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:41
Hello Hannes,

I would give her a pictigaster male. She looks like pure pictigaster but there is a small percentage of uncertainty. I have seen animals like her in an overlapping zone of pictig. and latic. in southern Texas. But by far the most intergrades or hybrids don´t have the dark area coming up from the belly expressed so strongly as your female has.
Another question: As you got her as another subspecies - did you get her as a female or is she a female?

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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:52
I bought her as a female, but had her sexed just there after to be sure. She was a hatchling when I bought her. She is about 15months old now. Not nearly old enough to start breeding, but I want to be certain I get the right male.

Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it.
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:55
The pictigaster I raised had their first babies when they were 2 years old. They grow and mature quickly.
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 4:59
Then I really need to get a male fast! What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul - 19:07
Hi there,

Just to agree 100% with Rainer about A.c.pictigaster. This specimen is well drawn under his belly. So I would guess too for this specie.

Cheers

LucasC.
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PostSubject: Re: Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix   Pls help to ID my Agkistrodon contortrix Icon_minitimeTue 3 Aug - 2:43
Thanks Lucas.

Appreciate you and Rainer's help and expertise. I have very limited knowledge on Copperheads.

Regards,
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