Venom Defender Gloves in Hamm

Hi,

I just shortly want to ask if anybody has bought the Venom Defender Gloves of Snake Professional Limited.
They has had a table on the left in the venomous room.

Has anybody had contact with the sellers after saturday?

Hi Carsten

I looked on their homepage.....seems that something is wrong with them!

* PRODUCT RECALL *

*IMPORTANT NOTICE!*

IF YOU HAVE PURCHASED VENOM DEFENDER GLOVES AT the HAMM exhibition ON 11sept THEN CALL
0044 7720-295275!

Hi Markus,

yes I´ve seen this. So now I´m interested if anybody has bought some gloves there, too.

I try to reach them since yesterday by phone or mail...but no reaction.

Markus Gottlieb wrote:: Hi Carsten

I looked on their homepage.....seems that something is wrong with them!

* PRODUCT RECALL *

*IMPORTANT NOTICE!*

IF YOU HAVE PURCHASED VENOM DEFENDER GLOVES AT the HAMM exhibition ON 11sept THEN CALL
0044 7720-295275!

just to update people with regards these gloves from SnakeProfessional.com. these have been tested and have no problems which i have witnessed myself, there seem to be someone that made a hoax and was attention seeking there is also a video of these gloves being tested at the King Cobra Santuary very shortly. so please keep checking on the site. the link is below

http://kingcobrasanctuary.com/

This info used to be on the site named above; I can't find it anymore though...
I got it from another forum where it was quoted. The message included a link but it doesn't work anymore;

http://kingcobrasanctuary.com/2010/09/12/important-warning-about-snake-proof-gloves/

Quote :: WARNING!

We have just discovered that the protective material used in the manufacture of the Hexarmor gloves ‘super fabric’ that we first tested at the IHS meeting in 2007, and again at the King Cobra Sanctuary in 2010 is no longer manufactured in the USA. Instead they are now being made in Pakistan where the gloves are assembled. These gloves are still sold as the Hercules R8E-3180 but now only have the protective material on the palm, side and knuckle.

We would strongly recommend that Hexarmor gloves manufactured outside of the USA are not used as protection against venomous snake bites. Check the small label on the inside of the gloves. The Hercules R8E-3180 gloves that we have tested and featured previously on this website have the national USA flag on that label.

Actually someone in the Netherlands got bit in the finger by an adult Naja kaouthia, while using the gloves from Pakistan.

Cheers,

Jelmer

Now I´ve spoken round about 30 minutes with the seller.

Just some short information.
He told me that the information about the pakistan gloves is wrong. They are 100% identic with the US labeled ones.
On the little white paper, which was in the packing, you can see that they are secure everywhere.

He will now speak with the manufactorer why there is the information on the label, that they are only secure on the palm, side and knuckle.
He got the info of a bitte person, too. Now they have to proof if this is correct and what happend.

When they have all the information...they´ll put it on their site. He say round about monday.

If somebody feels not safe with these gloves...he can get his money back.

DO NOT TRUST THE GLOVES SOLD ON HAMM WHATEVER THEY TELL YOU I HAVE 2 PAIRS FORM THE BATCH AND BE NAILED TRUE THE GLOVE BY THE FIRST HIT OF A MONOCLE COBRA NAJA KAOUTHIA

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regards

Richard

lets try that with gaboon?

Strange enough a Crotalus durissus durissus did not get true but we tried it on a empty glove

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How are you Richard, was it a dry bite?

The fact with the rattlesnake, we all know elapids like cobras do have the bite with the most pressure.

Best regards

thank god it was a dry bite. I have head numberous of angels that day on my shoulder

You're a lucky man, Richard!!!!

I hope that every buyers will be informed before a "not-dry" bite happens....

Oh man i realy thought of buying these gloves in hamm.
I am glad that i did not buy them.

@ Richard
Thanks for the info of your dry bite.

I also hope evry buyer will get the information before soemthing happens.

Hello guys,
i got also a pair here... but originally Hexamor US one´s .
I think it´s always the problem ,that you cannot calculate ..."where" the bite is.
In this gloves there are different small hexagonal plates,so it´s of course importent how straight the bite happen.
For example a bite with long fangs under 45 degrees to the gloves ,will cause a bite trough.
I only use em to catch some elapids out of the cages to tail em , i´m right handler so i use it for the left hand and the hook in the right hand Wink

I tested the pucture resitance of the gloves with several injection needles ..., different thickness and pressure .
Untill 0,6 mm no problem and the needles will break , BUT after 0,9mm and thicker it will complicate and the point the needle hit the gloves is VERY importent.
We are handling venomous snakes and should not TRUST those utility´s 100% ...,maybe it can safe someone...but on the otherside some peoples can turn to less while handling the animals.
I would never handle my 20 pound Bitis rhinoceros with such gloves , that could causes damages to me and my snake .
Have a great day,
Ralph

http://kingcobrasanctuary.com/2010/09/16/hexarmor-gloves-re-tested/

"Having now studied the evidence, it appears that claim that a Naja Kaothia pierced these gloves and caused a ‘dry bite’ was a possible hoax."

What do you think about this Richard?

/Johan

Is this a problem with the glove itself or the different manufactures? I have been thinking about getting a pair as a safety precaution but they are extremely expensive in South Africa.

hi everybody,
interesting thread I think the bottom line is they are puncture resistant not puncture proof
as it happens they are highly puncture resistant and form a very useful and credible addition to a keepers "tool kit" if you do not understand or accept this fact then do not use them. as for comments about trying it with Gaboon vipers is suggest looking at other threads and online videos concerning these gloves
cheers Tim.

probably it's just a problem of too high expectations and respectively simple common sense. Rolling Eyes

I agree with Tim and Peter.
I don´t know if www.snakeproffesional.com claimed the gloves to be puncture proof or not.
Midwest (www.tongs.com) has a disclaimer saying:"NOTE: HexArmor® products are cut and puncture resistant, NOT CUT AND PUNCTURE PROOF. Do not use with moving or serrated blades or tools. Always perform a safety test before using products for hazardous applications. "
/Johan

Personally, I use them for photography when I move in close, and for associated handling. The idea is NOT to get bitten, but to have an additional safety barrier if something goes wrong. I have also used them to catch small vipers (e.g., Vipera berus)...

I certainly would not encourage a snake to bite a gloved hand, and would not keep my hand in a glove that is being chewed on by a cobra or other venomous snake.

As an aside, it is a bit harsh to accuse someone of a deliberate hoax (i.e., lie) without providing strong evidence of that. There are various possible reasons why a particular glove may have failed on one occasion, even if the product is normally safe - e.g., a poorly made seam on an individual pair, a duff batch, other damage to the material, etc.

I agree with Wolfgang.

I would not use the gloves myself as i have seen the gloves the day after Richard got bitten and there was an actual puncture in the glove.
So it's a shame that an happening like this turns out in calling someone a liar without looking at the evidence that says otherwise.

Quote :: As an aside, it is a bit harsh to accuse someone of a deliberate hoax (i.e., lie) without providing strong evidence of that.

You're right, Wolfgang.

As i already wrote to Richard by PM:
"Well, Richard, should be hard for you to proof that this story happened that way - on the other hand it should be as hard to proof for the company it did not...."

As long as nobody involved in this case can proof anything for sure, one should be careful with accusations of any kind.

I try to handle this in a way as serious and neutral as possible - therefore i've been asking the company by e-mail for an official statement here - without response yet....

regards

Peter

There's a new statement on www.snakeprofessional.com

"We are now pleased to inform you that Venom Defender gloves, made in Pakistan, are perfectly safe, and any stories of ‘bites through gloves’
are completely untrue."

I'd like to know what kind of investigations have led to this assertion and how they will proof that.

regards
Peter

In these facts I´m interested, too.

Do you´ve got an answer Peter?

No, unfortunately i didn't, Carsten, and i'm quite sure i will not.
I have invited the company to register here and discuss this case in a fair, factual way. I think the customers do have the right to hear reliable, factual statements and not just unproofed assertions.

regards
Peter

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